Hey, R., I am currently in a very similar position with my nearly 3 year old girl. Even my mom, who raised 7 kids, said she has never seen someone quite as stubborn about potty-training as her--girl or boy. The scenario you described sounds exactly like what is going on. (We also have a younger one, an 11 month old, who loves to terrorize the little potty chair and climb up and reach into the big toilet if the lid is up, so we have to be diligent about making sure he stays away from these areas.) Anyway, everyone gave me advice to wait until she's ready and physiologically she has been very ready for a long time and I kept holding off because of her stubbornness. Finally, we started potty-training back in December, did the whole stay-at-home-don't-go-anywhere-til-she-gets-it-only-underpants-no-diapers. I nearly went insane, but we finally had some real successes after a solid week. However since then, it is the same thing as you describe (except while she used to be dry at night since she was 18 months, she now wets everytime she sleeps. Even if she pees right before bed and doesn't drink anything for an hour before bedtime). I don't know how it works out for you guys, but potty-treats, while she loves them, are not an incentive, nor is jumping for joy when she does go (esp. poop), it may make her happy, but it does not help in getting her to go again when she needs to, without my telling her to. I finally desperately searched the internet and came across an article, which I thought was helpful. The author talked about how nowadays so many parents hold off on potty-training because of the modern notion that you shouldn't train the kids before a certain age; whereas, in our parents generation it was rare to find a two year old that was not potty-trained. However, he notes that the longer you wait to potty train kids, the more developed the kids' wills are, which could make it more difficult depending on how stubborn. I think the gist of it is that if your child is older than two and stubborn, you just have to be equally stubborn and show them that you aren't backing down. The author also talked about helping your child to have a regular poop time, which I confirmed with my doctor that it is very possible. I think my daughter's is in the afternoon, so I just watch for the obvious signs (holding herself, wiggling around, etc.) and stick her on the potty until she goes. If she cries or fusses I tell her that I will close the door. (She doesn't like that, so usually she will comply). Then when she is done,which has become shorter and shorter time spans (the first time it took 20 minutes) rather than make the big fuss that we used to make, I just smile, tell her, "good work!" and take care of cleaning her up (though she is fond of trying this by herself, if I'm not quick). I have just been diligent about staying at it and letting her know that this is just what you do, her job. I think your son and my daughter will get there (hopefully they won't be the only high school grads in diapers ;)), but they are just tougher kids to train than most. Stay at it!