Rejected by family in time of need, so what should I do next time?

Don't want to get bogged down in details so I'll try to keep it short. My husband and I had what seemed to be a small argument one morning that ended in him screaming and yelling at me and breaking a dish and punching a hole in the wall. Our 4 year old walked in from outside when this happened and ran out the door holding her ears and crying. I ran after my husband and screamed at him to get out if he's going to behave that way.

Here's the problem. I was afraid, the kids were afraid of what happened so I called my husbands brother for help. I was just shocked and afraid and didn't know what to do. His brother blew me off as if violence is no big deal. I would have called my family but they are two hours away and out of town anyway. I'm nine months pregnant with our third and can't travel. I wanted to get out of the house and get the kids out just to get away from the anger and anymore possible arguing and let him cool off. The only other support I have here that I would call in this type of situation is my husbands mother. I called to ask if the girls and I could come over for a while and possibly a couple of days so I could regroup and to get the kids away from what was going on. She said "no". I really needed someone. Her own grandchildren needed someone and she said "no". I don't understand how she can reject family in a time of need. I turned to his "side" because he has had issues with anger in the past and they do know. I, however, did not find out until after we were married with a child.

What do I do next time this happens? Should I have called the police? Any advice would be great.
Oh, and yes we do need some counseling, however, my husband was laid off a couple of months ago and our insurance is about to run out so it's just not something we can do right now.

Of course, the obvious is that your husband needs a job. Anything to earn a bit of money and burn energy and stress. He (and maybe you too) needs some anger management classes. Unfortunately those cost money too.

I suspect that this "small argument" is not the first, but one of many, esculating. Michelle, you need more help than we or even family can give you. Please contact a center for abused women. They can give you guidance and direct you to resources.

God bless you.
Diana

Michelle,
I think you are very brave for reaching out to your family members (even if they are on your husband's side) for help. I would encourage you to contact any domestic violence agency in the area (Genesis, Family Place, Hope's Door) for counseling for you first, it is free and you do not have to go to a shelter or anything, although it is an option you have next time you feel scared or just like you need to be away. They also have help for children who witness violence (you are describing emotional, verbal and even phisical abuse in that incident...he does not have to hit you to make his point).
This type of counseling will help you first and then if he is interested there is help for him as well.
Being out of work is not a good reason to scare your 9 month pregnant wife and your kids...It really isn't.
He would not be in ANY TROUBLE if you seek help in these kind of agencies.
GOod luck and keep thinking about your kids well being as you have been doing.

Before there is another outburst, find a women's shelter in your county. There are free counseling services associated with almost every shelter. It sounds like your husband is under a lot of stress and reverted in a bad moment to an immature way of coping. He more than likely loves you and his family and feels helpless in this dire family situation (no job, no insurance). In Collin County there are services for health at the Plano Children's Medical Clinic on 14th street, the number is (972) 801-9689
For emergency shelters look up: http://www.dallas-divorce-lawyer.com/family_violence_dallas_shelter.htm Although the above link says it is for a divorce lawyer it is a page full of women's shelters from all over the Dallas area. (It would be terrible to go through a divorce after a single episode of rage under the circumstances you described.) In addition there is the very well supported services of the Collin County Children's Advocacy Center, which may have everything you need in one place:

Contact Information:

Collin County Children's Advocacy Center

2205 Los Rios Boulevard

Plano, Texas 75074-3422

Phone: 972-633-6600
They will provide support for the entire family through counseling, a safe place to stay, and links to job help.
Good luck. You will be in everyone's prayers. This is a nice online support group!

Michelle, my heart wishes I could do more than type out my opinion, and I pray for your family. I am just adding a perspective to consider.
Do you go to church? Your pastor needs to know what happened and you need to get advise from him. Maybe he can give you counseling your husband will listen to.

When a man cannot provide for his family, he is extremely frustrated, that is not an excuse for his behavior, but if there is some way that you can express your love to him and encourage him that will mean a great deal to the both of you in years to come.
It is through stress and trials that we learn what we truly are capable of, remember that God is greater than our trials.
I also think that you should have called your family. They may be 2 hours away but they need to know what happened; and they may be able to help in ways that his side of the family can't/refuse to see. Family shares joys and sorrows, we teach our children to stand by each other in bad times as well as good by words and actions; give your side a chance even though they are a distance away. Your husband needs someone to come along side him as a mentor, a pastor or deacon from your church, or maybe even your father(?)/ brother? He needs someone to show him another perspective, someone he can "vent" to that will understand from a man's perspective.

everything nita b. said is what i was going to say as well.
husbands are like children, they misbehave when things are not going in the direction they want and feel just as insecure as children do, even though i'm sure he loves you very much. perhaps all of this stress is coming from a new baby on the way and not having a job to take care of his family? however, you probably already know these things and nita b. is quite right. find a women's shelter. the safety of your children and yourself is of utmost importance. going to a shelter does not mean you are giving up on your mariage or that you love your husband any less it's only about taking care or yourself and protecting your children until you can re-group.

i'm so sorry you're going thru this, but life has a way of going up and down, just know that it will go back up again for you........
good luck!

I think the family members you called a couple pieces of S! I cannot believe they just ignored you!

I am sure that your husband is frustrated with the job situation and such but that gives him no right to be a prick. Ask him how long before YOU or the KIDS are the wall he put a hole in because he had a temper tantrum.

Never get his family involved. They will always take his side no matter what. I was in a similar situtation. My daughter now who is 9 gets mad and thinks it is okay to hit the wall or throw something. If you do not get a hold of it right now your kids will see this behavior and think it is okay. If you are not ready to leave your husband let him know that you are not going to tolerate his behavior and if it happens again he needs to live the house. If he is unwilling to live pack yours and your kids stuff and go home to your family. Do not tell them what is going on for they will hold it against your husband if you guys decide to stay together. Hope things work out for you!

Michelle, there should not be a "next time". Your hubby needs some anger management counseling. He sounds super stressed and there is no excuse for taking it out on you and the children. At least, now you know where you stand with the in-laws. If I were you, I would tell him to leave until he can get his anger issues in control. You also need support. Your ob probably has information on this. You needs to protect your kids and yourself.

Please, be careful and don't be afraid to call the police if the situation escalates.

S

Michelle,

If you plan to stay in this situation then you need to be prepared to call the police when he gets violent.
His Family is just that "his" and they will not support nor help you they will always do what is best for him.
I would no longer have anything to do with his family after the way they behaved toward you, I would not be around any of them.
You need to have an emergency fund that only you know about and when you need to get out you and the kids can go to a hotel.
Good Luck

I don't want to sound like I promote violence at all!! But my first thought was he was probably super stressed from the economy. (It's a lot more serious than people think!!) As the provider of the family and no history of violence..I'm thinking this might be it..esp since you said he was laid off and about to run out of insurance. People are taking their own lifes due to this economy! Also guys don't normal talk about what's bothering him..Sounds like the worry might be building up since he exploded over the small arguement. I'd open the doors of communcation up with your husband. He didn't hit or verbal abuse anyone so I'd give it my best to find out what caused the explosion! And I'm guessing the weight of bills, insurance, loss value in savings / 401K...Really it is bad out there and not looking any better in the near future!!

It sounds like super Dad is under some extreme pressure and super mom is stressed also. You are in a very difficult situation, but it doesn't sound like this has to break up the marriage.

I'd go with the advice others have given you. Maybe you don't have to live at a women's center to get counseling help. Your hubby needs help handling the deep emotions that he is experiencing right now and his family CAN'T help you in this situation, and you need help setting boundaries and behavior standards in your home.

It might also help if you guys read some books together about anger and relationships and whatever else might seem helpful. I'm guessing that a lot of the stress comes in the financial area. Maybe it would help to go to a Financial Peace University class (it costs, but scholarships are available). To find out more about them, look up Dave Ramsey.

My husband still has his job, but the stress level in our home has gone up since the economy started to tank.

I don't feel like I am qualified to say what you should since I don't know if this is his normal behavior. Was this a one time thing? I read that he was laid off - I am sure that is affecting the family. I know in my own marriage outside stress can affect how we talk and react to eachother. And your pregnant!! However, my husband has never broken anything in anger. However, he has never been laid off with a pregnant wife.

Also, it doesn't surprise me that his family is rejecting you b/c it is their son. Again, I don't know the family history and if there was violence.

I would say if you feel like you or your children's life is in danger - you should leave until your husband gets control of his anger and stress (seek a professional). You may want to consider some sort of shelter since there is no where else for you to go. And as you mentioned, seek counseling.

I really wish you the best in whatever you decide to do for the sake of your family.

Perhaps his family didn't want to be involved. I can't say I agree with their decision. Someone should have at least taken the children so that they don't have to see those types of things. I'm responding because I heard on the radio that the Dallas County had what sounded like a low cost, or no cost counseling class they were offering in trying to help families stay together. You may want to check their website. You may also want to check the churches in your area some of them offer those services too without cost. Good luck in your situation. Should the next time he put his hands on you, by all means call the police!

Dear Michelle,
I am so sorry to hear of your situation! May God Bless you with wisdom, peace, love and direction from above! Please look to God for help and he will guide your every step.

I just said a prayer for you and your family! God Loves You!
Ruth

When your husband bellows, do not bellow back... turn around and walk away from the situation. When you bellow or act foolish, you are reflecting his immature image. It will probably make him madder that you are not acting like him ie responding but in the long run, he will respect you more for walking away. Second, the mother-in-law probably does not want to take sides. And after delivering your third child, the hubby/you need to get "fixed". Your husband can get a job being a night stocker at Wal-mart or Cosco or Sam's Club. Never know the clientel that comes through the area and there's upper management jobs that become available at these places... not only in the store but at the corporate offices. Good luck.

I'm so sorry to hear about what you are going through. I've been in similar circumstances and based on your story, this type of blow up is not a common thing nor was it something you anticipated. I can only imagine what your poor husband must be going through; recently laid off, probably no immediate prospects, a stay at home wife with 2 little girls and another baby coming in a month! Who wouldn't be near a point of losing it! I'm not condoning his behavior, but he did not hurt you or your children and I think what is needed here is an extra dose of compassion and understanding. Start by letting him know that you understand why he lost his temper and that it scared you, but you know he's a good man and a "super Dad" and that you love him and would like him to talk to you about his concerns instead of bottling it up. I don't know how much you two have talked about what your plans are for the upcoming months, but it would probably be a good idea to sit down one evening and discuss what your options are. There are some government programs like WIC that can help with groceries and Medicaid that can help with health insurance. I can understand why some of the women posting might be concerned but this one argument does not qualify him as an abusive husband nor you as a battered wife. It might not hurt to have your family come and pick up your kids for a few days or a week while you guys get your game plan together. Please be sensitive to his feelings. Accusing him of abuse and demanding counseling might hurt his shattered ego even more. He needs to know that you still have faith in him as a provider and maybe you could help out in whatever way you can when it comes to finding a new job. Find some job hunting classes he could take and let him know about them. Things like how to make the most of your resume, networking, etc. Help him set up a profile on Monster.com or another job website. This incident does not need to break your marriage, if anything it can make it stronger by letting him know how much you love him and that you didn't marry him because of his job or because he's perfect all the time. There doesn't have to be a "next time" but if you see him starting to lose his cool again, let go of your side of whatever arugement you are having and calmly say, let's let this go for now and talk about it more when we've cooled off. He may need you to be the cooler head for a little while. Things will get better, just be patient and calm and even more loving and affectionate than before. He really needs you right now! Best wishes to you and your family!

Michelle, I know that times are really hard for your husband it doesn't sound like this is normal for him. Your mother in law just wants to stay out of it because of the kids and doesn't want someone to turn against her I'm sure her grandchildren are very precious to her to risk any loss of visitation. I would suggest going to your church if your not part of a church go to the nearest one. You will find a safe haven in church. It will also bring you peace just being there. Please take my advise and listen to your heart. Believing in you and your marriage.
Julia

Michelle, You've gotten great advise from other ladies, mainly advising you to seek out a church for counseling, etc. I just wanted to drop you a note to let you know that I'll be praying for you and your husband during this difficult time. My heart goes out to you all. God bless. Susan

Dear Michelle,

The situation you described is one that has taken place in my own family down to the very reactions of broken dish-hole in wall (only in our case it was a closet door) and even a child witnessing things and bawling.

There have been several such incidents in our marriage. Each time I have wanted to leave but like your situation, there is no family for me to turn to anywhere near enough to rely on and reasons why it made no sense to run immediately although a short overnight somewhere else could have been very helpful several times. 

We too, have had financial restraint and were unable to afford counseling-or say a night in a hotel or whatever. 

I have a very good idea of how you're feeling about this. You're hurt, scared for your children, outraged by his actions and by scaring the child. You are protective and rightly so of the baby you carry and yes, the situation was a bad one.

Most people will probably say this is cause to get out. I won't tell you what you should do because it is up to you as you know ALL the details and the man involved as well as yourself and you alone can decide what is best for you all.

What I will share, is what came of the situation I experinced which was very similar to yours.

I'm a SAHM. I have a chronic illness which is at times debilitating but I manage. I don't always have a neat house or meals planned. I'm really bad to wash loads of laundry but not fold them right away. Sometimes I fold it but don't get it put away right away...yet my job is to care for the house and I'm home all day to accomplish it.

 During every time when it's been rough in our marriage and scenarios such as those you described took place it alwyas happened during extremely stressful periods. Such as when we'd just moved, my husband had begun a new job-his dad had died, our child was in the terrible two stage at 15 months-and I was lonely without family or friends in a new area...

 After reading that even all I can say is well obviously we were both stressed. All it took was a few days of being low and a bad mood that escalated into a nasty incident. At that time though a wall did not get a hole and dish was not broken but there were higher stakes and it'd fall under physical altercation if it were a police report. 

 The most recent time was after several years of my husband being undervalued at his career job and always getting the worste part of every assignment. No wonder he was always in a black mood! Plus, things were still tight because of my chronic illness and then a few major medical expenses following miscarriage, ectopic pregnancy and even appendicitis in a child who had ruptured and abcessed and had to have antibotic IVies for 6 weeks and then two more months of careful observation before appendectomy. My husband was so sick of his job and life as it was and we both were heading for our thirties-and he chose to jump towards law enforcement. His determination to join the DEA, FBI, local police, then Army was something I was completely against. I did not worry excessively about it as he had medical history as a child that I thought would prevent his acceptence almost anywhere. Turns out I was wrong and he was able to join the Texas National Gaurd Army. Boot camp was good for him in that he was able to grow in self confidence and see big results when goals were met. However it also made gave him a hair trigger for bad moods and made him much more confrontational. I was aware of how it would affect him. 

To have a lousey company employ you despite being one of the best in  your field and feel trapped there and unable to move...to be so disenchanted with your chosen career that you jump to an opposite career but chose to make it a side career so as to continue supporting your family and not make an enormous change and then not have a clean home to come home to.. to have the wife always sick...well, I can see why his black moods were constant and so bad.

I on the other hand was sick a lot, could not function well and was depressed by it and hurt and then angered by his behavior towards me. I considered leaving several times. I considered running to family and staying.

In the end, he was able to secur a better job which appreciates him and values his contribution so much that they go out of their way to let him know it and to work with him on all situations to crop up. Following Boot Camp he went to Iraq and served on the front lines. Doing everything by myself while he was deployed showed me just how much he does for our family that I'd taken for granted. I do not make a good single parent but I did what I could.

He's returned now and although he is gone from before sun up to after sun down and has very little time to do much with us during the week-and then has drills every few weekends things are much better.

What I do know is that his level of frustration had pushed him to the brink during those bad times. No excuses for his behavior but he hit a hole in the wall-NOT ME. I was not exactly a quiet, submissive wife who wasn't pushing things at the time either. A good slap is what I probably deserved and yet he needed one too. He needed to blow off steam but it was a volcanic eruption of stress that welled up. In my case-I broke dishes. A very good release. In his case-he pounded the closet door and left a rather large hole.(Two years later and it's still there but covered by an attractive robe I hung on the door. LOL)

Ok, so not funny. However you are able to see the stress you are both under. While what happened was not right in any way and you can not place yourself or your children in danger-do realize if he took it out completely on you or if he blew up at you and then took it out on the wall. We have a difficult job to do and being pregnant and having other children to juggle and raise is HARD WORK!!! It's grueling, stressful and doesn't stop. His job is to support all of you-to provide for all your needs and wants. Being laid off is one of the worste things that can happen to him. I would caution you to put safety first-but first decide if there's actual danger to yourself or if he's restraining his explosive anger when it occurs.

Counseling would be very good but even if we'd ever been able to afford it my husband would have refused to go! Typical male ego involved. Instead we've had to learn to not take every negative thing said as personal. To analize the situation we're in and realize how the other spouse is pressured and trying to deal and perhaps failing. It's not been easy.

I made a choice to prevent arguments from escalating. There are times when my husband goes off on a tirade. It has something to do with his military training now and I am able to see when it is comming. He is not able, yet, to turn it off or tone it down. He does, I think, suffer from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder but it's not severe and probably the same level that most soilders endure after integration back into civilian life following fighting in war. It is a strain to put up with it when it occurs. To bite back my first retorts, to dull the sharp thoughts and things I want to say. I do not rise to the bait and I struggle to prevent such situations now from escalating. He is able to escalate on his own-however he doesn't take it out physically. Verbally at times very much so which is still wrong.

Thing is-I am able to walk away and with children asleep in bed and myself asleep in bed-there is no danger that he will harm us. He simply has to blow the steam. He's now very physical in workouts and is wearing himself out so that there isn't any such steam left. It's intentional and it's working.

He is only able to realize when he was out of line after the fact and never during but I am able to understand that it's out of his control but not to the point that safety is an issue. I have chosen to stay and make our relationship and marriage work. We're now in our thirties and have a ten year marriage going on another year. We've lost 5 babies but have 2 to raise. We still have no family nearby but I have good friends and he has "buddies" he can rely on like brothers. We're finally in a better financial situation and it is slowly improving but we are careful not to live outside our means as well.

I've got a list a mile long of repairs that need to be done on our house-our car..things I just can't do. He doesn't have the time and all of it takes time and money to accomplish but this is all normal. No one lives in a house without a single repair-and all cars eventually need something. Even if we had all the money in the world there'd be a whole other set of stresses and pressures to bog us down so I've chosen to take on the life we have and live in it but not set it to flames myself. I choose to love him-despite his failings and along the way I've discovered my own weaknesses and failings too. He accepts mine as well and we're finally at a point in which we're not broadcasting eachothers faults at one another. Sheesh! Why was I so mean, so disrespectful-so petty, so selfish, so needy and the like so much to the man I chose to marry? I'm working hard on myself and my marriage and it's starting to show.

Turns out my husband has been working hard on it too but I am now able to see that he was all along.

I don't know either of you or what the situation is truly but I do know how you feel and I got an idea of what he must be going through. It's not to hard when you've already been there.

Take courage! This will pass. Better times ARE ahead. God will not give us more than we can handle.

Second, decide what you really want and then work to make it happen.

I can recommend FIREPROOF the movie and The Love Dare availible at various places. We saw the movie together and it was a turning point for us. I've been doing The Love Dare on my husband as I am able to and it has made a big difference of how I see myself but also in what I see about my husband.

Our children are beginning to feel the love too and are doing very well. :)

Please take what you will from this and I hope it will help you in some way.

WARM HUGS just when you need it from me. 


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