Is It to Late

Updated on October 11, 2006
L.W. asks from Mattapan, MA
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Just a simple question, at what age is it to old to have tantrum. My niece is 6 and she just started having these uncontrolable tantrums. I have even had to leave the store because of it. I can't take her out to eat or other outings. I feel guilty leaving her home but i dont know what lse to do. I have them taking to someone their school recommended to help them deal with thier mom. I just dont know what i can do to help her so she's not left out of anymore outings.

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M.W.

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Hi L. my name is M. mom of 2 and one ont he way. I do believe she is too old for this type of behavior, have you tried to sit and talk with her and tell her that her behavior is not acceptable sometimes children seek for attention and the only way they know how to get it is to have a tantrum. Try to give her an incentive tell her she will be rewarded with something special if she can show you the proper way to behave or reward her with a small toy of some sort to try and ween her off the tantrum behavior. Once she realizes that it is not necessary to behave that way maybe she will stop.

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A.D.

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Well I know for me My son is 7 and he still is having tantrums...we missed the terrible twos and threes but oince he started school seems like it all hit the fan

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R.A.

answers from Providence on

Don�t worry hun,
It is Very common for children in the care of others to act out�even if they are family.
As a therapeutic foster mom the first thing I recommend is not to over react to the tantrum (that is so easy to do, I know) One of the things that worked for me was a marble jar� you buy a bag of marbles and use a small glass jar� explain to her/him for every good behavior throughout the day you will add marbles� for every bad behavior you will remove a marble. When you are explaining this to her you will need to come up with an agreed upon reward� IE.. when the jar gets filled �what should we do, a trip to the dollar store for a prize? Or maybe a friendly ice cream Sunday let her add some ideas too they try harder when it is their idea. REMEMBER though when a bad behavior happens not to over react just remind them of the marble jar� if it continues remove a marble.
I hope this helps a little�it may take a while to get the hang of it but if you stick with it it can work.

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A.V.

answers from Lewiston on

It's never too late to have a tantrum!
My 7 year old niece is just stopping this wild behavior!
Here's a tip or two...
DO NOT respond by giving tons of attention good or bad. The best thing you can do is just continue whatever your doing. If you're at a store, keep browsing and try to act bored with it all. A tantrum is a scheme to get as much attention as possible. Even punishment can be a way of rewarding a tantrum.
If you're at home, a well known tactic is to get on the floor next to her and do just what she does. Yell and kick and writhe around. Most kids become so shocked by your behavior that they stop to stare or laugh.
My mom is a 30 year veteran teacher. She had a great technique with my niece that made me laugh. My niece was angry that she couldn't get what she wanted and yelled and went to the corner and crossed her arms and started stamping her feet. My mom went and stood next to her and did the same thing for just a minute. Then my mom said, "I don't know why you like doing this, it seems boring to me. I'm gonna go do something more fun."
My niece said, "I do that when I can;t get my way, but it never works with you!"
"And it never will..." said my mom.
GOOD LUCK!
And remember, try to act unphased even when you are full of fear and embarrassment at the behaviour!
Most adults have seen a tantrum before and even in public, the right reaction from you can make all the difference.
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Y.A.

answers from New York on

have you told your niece that if she continues the tantrums she won't go anywhere anymore. at the first inkling of a tantrum that my daughter was going to pull i told her that.i told her nicely. i explained the results of such bad behaviour.and well she is 7 going on 8 and to this day she has never thrown a tantrum.unlike my own neieces do.man i feel sorry for my sister in law.but as long as i talk to my child calm like and easy she gets the point.hope this helps.bye

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M.A.

answers from Boston on

Choose Your Battles
How to end power struggles with your child -- so you both win
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By Pamela Redmond Satran
I was sitting in a coffee shop, waiting for a friend, when from behind me there arose a great hue and cry.

"Matthew, it's cold out � you have to wear your mittens."

"No!"

"Put on your mittens like a good boy and Mommy will give you a cookie."

"Noooo!"

Now Dad, in a commanding tone: "Matthew, put on your mittens right this instant."

"I won't!"

Dad to Mom: "Hold him while I shove them on."

This was the toddler's cue to start wailing in earnest.

Mom to little boy: "Fine, don't wear them. If your hands get cold, it's your problem."

Dad to Mom again: "It's freezing outside. He'll get frostbite."

Mom to Dad: "If his hands get cold, he'll put the mittens on. Come on, everybody's staring. We have to get him out of here."

The family blessedly packed up and left the restaurant, both parents frazzled and Matthew still screaming and resisting the mittens. Their exchange had been painful to listen to � and that was an edited version�partly because the emotions ran so high, to so little effect, and over such a small thing. And partly because I'd been in exactly that place myself, far too painfully and inextricably, with my own first child.

Power struggle. The words popped into my head before the family was even out the door. I'd never been able to identify it when I was locked into one with my own small and willful daughter, but that's clearly what this was.

Contributing editor Pamela Redmond Satran's most recent novel, Suburbanistas (Downtown Press), came out in March 2006.

Tantrums
Also known as Emotional Storms, Temper Tantrums
by Dr. Alan Greene, MD, FAAP

1. Introduction
2. What is it?
3. Who gets it?
4. What are the symptoms?
5. Is it contagious?
6. How long does it last?
7. How is it diagnosed?
8. How is it treated?
9. How can it be prevented?
10. Related illnesses

Introduction

When your child kicks and screams at not getting his way, the outburst often seems to come at the least opportune times: when you're on the phone, trying to get out the door, or trying to make dinner, or when you're at the grocery store or a family gathering.

What is it?

Temper tantrums are expressions of intense, immediate frustration. They occur most frequently at an age when children's verbal skills are inadequate to express their roiling emotions.
Gradually, after a child has mastered walking, an irresistible urge to make his own choices begins to well up inside him. This is an exciting development. But to make an independent choice, he must disagree with you in order for the choice to be his own. When you ask him to do something, part of him wants to please you, but part of him wants to refuse.

Many people call this important phase of development "the terrible twos." I prefer to call it "the first adolescence." This period begins long before age 2 and actually continues long afterward, but in the majority of children, it's most intensely focused around the period from 1 1/2 to 3 years of age.

The hallmark of this stage is oppositional behavior. Our wonderful children instinctively want to do exactly the opposite of what we want. We have nice, reasonable expectations and they say "NO!" or they simply dissolve into tears. Suppose you have to go someplace in a hurry. Your son has been in a great mood all day. But when you say, "I need you to get into the car right now," he'll want to do anything but that!

As if this weren't enough, children in this phase of development have a great deal of difficulty making the choices they so desperately want to make. You ask your child what he would like for dinner and he says macaroni. You lovingly prepare it for him. Then as soon as it's made he says, "I don't want that!" It's perfectly normal for him to reverse a decision as soon as he has made it, because at this stage he even disagrees with himself.

This phase is difficult for parents but it's also hard for children. When children take a stand that opposes their parents, they experience intense emotions. Although they are driven to become their own unique persons, they also long to please their parents. Even now, when I do something that my parents disagree with, I feel conflicted. I'm an adult, living in a different city, making well thought out choices, and it's still difficult. For a child who is tentatively learning to make choices, who is dependent on his parents for food, shelter, and emotional support, it's even more intense. Dissolving into tears is an appropriate expression of the inner turmoil that is so real for children who are in the midst of this process.

This season of emotional outbursts in children is reminiscent of labor--a series of intense spasms that ushers in a whole new phase of life.

Who gets it?

Children going through this volatile developmental stage are most likely to get frustrated and have a tantrum when the intensity of the immediate situation increases. The excess stimulation may be visual, auditory, tactile, or a combination. It often includes being confronted with a bewildering array of choices, or being unable to get the attention or the desired, chosen outcome.
Let's look at the example of the grocery store. As an adult, you can choose whether you want to go to the grocery store, when to go, and which products you are going to buy. When you are shopping together, your child will see things he wants. To make the situation worse, there are cleverly designed packages up and down the aisles that scream, "Buy me! Buy me! Buy me!" We are largely able to tune that out (although it affects us more than we think). For small children who are just learning to make choices, it's like going to a deafening rock concert. They are visually overwhelmed by high-decibel choices. They are compelled to start wanting multiple attractive items. When they can't have what they want, they dissolve into tears or screams. Of course everybody in the store turns and looks at your child, and worse--at you!

Almost all healthy children will have a number of temper tantrums but will eventually discard them as they find better strategies.

Those with ongoing tantrums often have reasons for ongoing frustration. Or they have discovered that tantrums work! If tantrums result in the desired attention or outcome, they can become a powerful habit. Often tantrums only occur when the parents are present.

What are the symptoms?

A child may be acting "out of sorts" before the tantrum begins. Then he asks for something he can't have, can't make up his mind, or tries to do something but fails. Crying--perhaps screaming--will result. Some kids flail their arms and kick their legs. Some throw themselves on the ground. Some cry hard enough to vomit (making their parents desperately want to give in). Others will hold their breath, even to the point of passing out.

Is it contagious?

Tantrums are not contagious, although the behavior of those around a tantrum can play into it.

How long does it last?

Most children outgrow frequent tantrums by the time their language is mostly understandable to strangers.

How is it diagnosed?

Tantrums are not a diagnosis. They are a normal phase of development, though they may be more prolonged, more frequent, or more intense in some children.

How is it treated?

Realize that tantrums are expression of acute frustration. They deserve a medium amount of attention--children should not feel that they get more of your attention by throwing a fit. Parents may be tempted to be loud or angry, but tantrums are a time to be calm.
First, take a deep breath. As a pediatrician, I've been in a grocery store with one of my own screaming kids, with my patients in the checkout line. My first thought is, "I wish I could drop through the floor so nobody would see me." Many people won't understand, especially people who don't have kids yet. They will look at you and think your child is spoiled or that you are a bad parent. But you probably have a normal child and are a good parent.

When I see a parent whose child is having a tantrum in a store, I am reminded of labor. When I look at a mom in labor, I see something that is heroic, triumphant, and beautiful. Tears come to my eyes when I am privileged to be a part of a birth. So, the next time your child starts flailing and shrieking, take a deep breath and remember: If Dr. Greene were here, he would see something heroic and beautiful.

Next, while you are taking a deep breath, consciously relax. Kids play off your emotions. It's hard to relax in this situation, but just let your muscles go. The more uptight you are, the more energy is available for their tantrums. Kids thrive on attention, even negative attention.

Where you go from here depends on your child. Some children will calm down if you pick them up and hold them. My first son was like that. His storm would dissolve if you just gave him a big hug and told him it would be all right. If you picked up my second son during a storm, he would hit you--there were different ways to get him to calm down. Each child is unique.

Handle tantrums with a light touch. Seasoning the interaction with understanding, humor, and distractions can save the day. One thing that often works very well is to try to voice to the child what he is going through. "You really want to get this, don't you?" Then he may melt and say, "Uh-huh."

You'll have to experiment to find out what helps your child understand that everything is okay, that these bad feelings will pass, and that it's all a normal part of growing up.

Whatever you do, if your child has a temper tantrum to try to get something, don't give it to him, even if you would have ordinarily done so. Giving in to tantrums is what spoils a child. Giving in is the easiest, quickest solution in the short run. But it damages your child, prolongs this phase, and ultimately creates far more discomfort for you. Choosing your child's long-term gain over such dramatic short-term relief is part of what makes properly handling temper tantrums so heroic.

How can it be prevented?

Children are most susceptible to storms when they are tired, hungry, uncomfortable, bored, or overstimulated.
Be creative at orchestrating life to minimize tantrum weather. You may want a toy basket that only comes out when you are on the phone or online. A great time for your child to watch an entertaining video is when you're preparing dinner.

When possible, plan shopping for times when your child is rested, fed, and healthy. Interact with him throughout shopping and/or bring along stimulating toys or books.

Remember the situation from your child's perspective. You are going along making choice after choice, but when he tries to make a choice, he doesn't get what he wants. How frustrating! It's often helpful to let your child pick out one or two things when at the store. When a child asks for something, instead of saying "no" (which will immediately make him say "yes"), try saying, "Let's write that down." Then write it down. When your child asks for something else, write that down too. Then when you are all done, read back a few of the things on the list that you think would be good choices, and let him pick one or two of the things on the list. If children can make some choices, they will learn more and feel better.

Another worthwhile technique is to make a list before you go to the store. That way it won't look so arbitrary when you pick what you want while your child doesn't get his choice. As you shop, whenever you put something in your basket, check it off your list. Even if it's not on your list, check it off. The list is to teach that each item has a purpose, not that you had thought of it previously.

His task during this time is to gain skill at making appropriate choices. To help him accomplish this, offer limited choices at every opportunity. He will be demonstratively frustrated if he is given direct commands with no options. He will decompensate if he has too many alternatives. Two or three options generally work best.

Make sure the choices you offer fall within an appropriate agenda. Your son still needs the security of knowing that he's not calling all the shots. When it's time to eat, say something like, "Would you rather have a slice of apple or a banana?" He feels both the reassuring limits that you set and the freedom to exercise his power within those limits. If there are two things he needs to do, let him decide which to do first, when appropriate.

Related illnesses:

Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD)
Breath Holding
Head Banging
Nightmares
Separation Anxiety

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C.A.

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i too have had this problem and one time i was in a supermarket and had to step off to the side...once my son noticed i wasn't paying attention he got up. it is really embaressing and you do have to explaine that type of behaviour will get then no where. its hard the first couple of times 'cause you want to comfort them, at least i did. my son is almost 8 now and still has his outbursts but thats all do do brain damage and ADHD. i weny through hell with my son becuase when the doctors found a cyst, they didnt tell me the after affects of it. but just know that you're not alone and at least you have help, though i imagine it can't be easy on your mom who isn't feeling well. good luck!
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K.D.

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My middle son, Tony, had tantrums from about age 2 to age 10! I left him out of many things that I'd bring his older sister and younger brother to, only to make it easier on myself. He got left out a lot, honestly, cause he was just a handful and frankly a major pain in the butt! It took him until he was 10 to "come 'round", and now he's a great, laid back kid. I never did figure out what got him into being so horrid, or what miracle it was that got him out of it, nothing I tried seemed to work. It was hard to find a babysitter for him too that could stand him, it was a rough time. Wish I had an answer for you as to how to snap your neice out of it, cause not a thing I tried seemed to help! But I can say temper tantrums are definitely not JUST for 2 year olds, they can hit any age, as I lived!

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T.P.

answers from New York on

I agree! It is important not to react to much to the tantrum. My son continued to have tantrums right up to age 5 in school sometimes - it was very embarassing. But when he would throw himself on the floor in the supermarket I would step away (not too far of course). I would tell him "If you want to have a tantrum then mommy's leaving." After a few times he got up off the floor and came running for me. I sat him down an explained to him that he was getting too old for tantrums. I asked him how he felt before he threw himself on the floor. He answered with words like "mad, sad, lonely, hurt, etc) I then said, "Well let's see what things we can do when we have these bad feelings." (using the word "we" made him feel like I understood the feeling and he wasn't weird) Then I said the next time you feel (mad, sad, etc) can you go to an adult and say how you feel?" "Can you pick up your (favorite toy) go to the time-out chair and hold it?" Offering solutions to tantrums gave him choices.

Then I put in the reward system like the last mom's suggestion. I put a point paper on the refrigerator or kept score in my head: x amount of good points was rewarded by a trip to the dollar store for a toy or a happy meal at McD if he was good the whole week. Bad points meant being in the doghouse (whatever you decide that would be)

Certainly she seems to be reacting to change in her life and most of us don't like change. But it gets better! Chin UP!

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