EXTREMELY Defiant Two Year Old, Need Opinions

Updated on February 05, 2011
3.B. asks from Tampa, FL
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Here we go again. Just when I thinking Im making ground.....
My 2.5 yr old has been testing every ounce of patience I have for the last year. I have read books, talk to the ped, and even went to a child behavior therapist. Apparently I need to go more. I just dont know where to draw the line picking battles. Nearly everything I ask him to do or not to do is always a NO! Or he'll stare me in the eye and do it again.
This morning he woke up and had peed through his diaper and p.j.'s I told him you need to take a bath. He starts screaming NO. (Normally he loves to PLAY in the bath everyday)I tried explaining you peed through your jammies, you need to be clean etc. And still got the NO!NO! Finally I told him yes you are getting a bath, end of story. I put him in the tub and he proceeds to scream at the top of his lungs like I was stabbing him. I yanked him out and told him he was going into his room until he calmed down. 30 minutes later(with me opening the door and asking him to be a big boy for me) he is still protesting screaming no etc. Now mind you this is day 2 of me trying to get him cleaned up in a bath. So I finally think "forget it, he's getting a bath one way or the other" Needless to say it didnt go well, he was SCREECHING, swinging at me etc. But I thought he has to know who's in charge and it's not him. So after a wrestling match (literally) I got him washed, hair washed and dressed him and put him in another time out.
My question I guess is in your opinion, do I from the start stay firm and just you are doing this, instead of giving him the chance to make a good choice, which never seems to happen? I am so exhausted and frusturated!

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K.B.

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Stop telling him what to do and involve him in the decision. Give him choices. Not about what he's going to do but how he's going to do it. Try & make them funny..."Do you want to take a bath like a fish or gorilla?" "How are we getting to the car today? Will you be walking like an elephant or hopping like a frog?" I found that this distracts my kids from what they don't want to do and makes it fun. Many times arguing is just a power struggle. Give him a little power, have fun and still get him to do what you need him to do. Remember, the bigger deal you make it, the bigger it becomes. Good luck!

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P.G.

answers from Dallas on

My son responds really well to choices - I just try my hardest to set it up so that the choices get me the outcome I want. For example - the situation you described above: you want him clean cause he peed - you say bath, he says no, frustration ensues cause he wants control and you want him clean. Alternative: son, you peed - we need to get you clean, would you like to take a bath or a shower? (or get rubbed down with a washcloth, whatever). Give him the "appearance" of control by letting him chose from the options of getting what you want done.

I'm not a pro at this, but it really does work a lot of the time. Check out Love and Logic - there are books on different age groups, and sometimes churches or schools have classes. It's all about choices and control. At this age, he is developing his own personality, and he has no real control over much of anything. L&L's thinking is that the more choices you can give them, the more they learn to make good choices, instead of just telling them stuff and having to fight about it, etc. Fosters independence, helps them, makes you less crazy, etc.

Good luck!

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M.A.

answers from Phoenix on

I know there will be very little fans of my response but thats the great part of America, each parents has there own way. I am a little surprised you would give him a choice, I have 3 kids and 2 are boys (G~11, B~9 and B~4) I n this situation I have never given the options to do something that needs to be done. I would have got my spoon and got down to his level and calmly said "you have pee on you, I would like you to take your clothes off and I am going to give you a bath, you can bring a toy. I want you to do this without screaming if you don't you are going to get a spanking" I am letting my son know this is what I expect from him and there will be consequences if you don't listen to mommy. If your mad, it is so much easier said then done but walk away, dealing with him when your mad isn't good. Good luck and I hope things get better.

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A.S.

answers from Detroit on

I'm with 'C.M.' on this one.

He's 2. If you feel the need to give choices, make it ones YOU can live with. Like, do you want this or that toy in the bath? You're not giving him a choice whether or not to bathe... But you're giving a choice of something to take in there with him.

My son (2 1/2) will become defiant sometimes. I ignore the defiance and wait until he calms down. Then when he's calm, I ask him if he's ok now and then talk to him about what is going to happen.

However, yes. There have been times that I have done EXACTLY what you did. Put him in the tub while screaming and swinging. I just don't make a habit of that. I don't want him to equate bath = bad time.

Sometimes... We just have to walk away to breathe.

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J.G.

answers from Springfield on

At this age I usually got the best results with using a fun, excited voice and saying, "Oh no, you're wet! I guess we get to take a bath!" and then taking him to the tub.

I understand what you're trying to do, but I don't think it's age appropriate. It might work in a couple of years. Right now, he's going to feed off of your attitude and tone of voice. He's mimicking your behavior. If you're happy and excited, he will be too. If you are stern and forceful, there's a good chance he will respond the same way.

Give him choices whenever you can. (Bath or shower) But if you can't give him a choice, be as positive as you can and be very matter-of-fact about it. "It's time to put your coat on and get in the car." You set the tone. If you are negative, he will be too.

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G.T.

answers from Modesto on

The joys of wrestling a wet 2 yr old. I can feel that BURN in the back... terrible pain.
Maybe he'd like a quick shower some days... you might try that when you are needing the quick pee rinse.
Just be firm, let him know his behavior is not going to lead to anything good, he'll get the hint soon enough. Stay patient, it's hard. He's only two tho and you are much older than he is, dont let him be in charge.

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A.V.

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There are times when I give up and times when I say, "I'm sorry you are upset, but you cannot sit in your own pee all day. I'm going to give you a quick bath." And then I speed-wash her (or sponge-bathe her) and we go on with our day.

My DD will be 2.5 next week and her first response to EVERYTHING is "NO!" And then she wants what she just said no to 5 seconds earlier. Gah.

I've taught DD to "take a breath" to calm down and sometimes that really helps. We take several deep breaths and then I try to get her to talk to me. It might not always go her way but sometimes just feeling "heard" (getting down to her level, talking calmly) helps us both get on with our day. And sometimes it helps me, too.

I think a lot of what my DD is screaming about is control - she has such limited control over her world. We tell her what to eat, wear, when to bathe and sleep and go to Grandma's house. It's not about wearing socks. It's about being able to have a choice. If I can give her a choice or something beyond what she doesn't want (maybe "After your bath you can have a waffle for breakfast") it can sometimes help.

Which is not to say that sometimes Momma just picks the clothes and off we go (her father tries to negotiate and sometimes I tell him, "Just put her boots on. We have to go."), even if she protests.

The one time she decided to stiffen up and not sit in her car seat to be strapped in safely, I just sat in the car til she calmed down. Yeah, she screamed, but she didn't get what she wanted - which was to run around. She realized after about 10 minutes that we were just going to sit in the car, and that was no fun, so she got in her seat.

Anyway, we have ALL been there. Hang in there.

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C.M.

answers from Dallas on

I think it's good you stand your ground. If Mommy says bathtime, then bathtime it is. *I think 2 1/2 is a bit young to make choices about requirements such as bathtime...choices should be more along the lines of, bubbles or no bubbles.

I can only suggest using a calming voice at all times. And also try "when you stop screaming/whining/hitting, etc., Mommy will listen to you". Don't reply when he's screaming unless it's to say that. Once he calms down, then respond softly and immediately ("Thank you for using your Big Boy voice. Now how can Mommy help?").

Don't "feed" their anger. Simply ignore it in a nice way.

Hopefully you have a time out spot for when he hits or really misbehaves? 1 minute per age. We call ours the "sad step."

Best to you!

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J.C.

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I would say... " oh, you don't want a bath. That is so sad because now we can't go to the park or play date or play with play doe etc. When you change your mind let me know and I will be glad to help you.". My 7 year old doesn't always feel like getting a shower and I just tell her that is fine but I hope no one says anything mean about her knotty hair. Works every time.

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P.M.

answers from Portland on

This is a frustrating age for most kids, and some are definitely more challenging than others. That's not their fault – they're really doing the best they know how to do with their own personalities, needs, and life dynamics. Some have sensory issues, allergies, and reactions to common food additives and chemicals that put them even more at odds with the world, and they have little experience with coping yet.

Is it possible, and this is just a question based on very little detail, that you have come to expect challenging behavior from your son, and therefore approach every situation with gritted teeth, expecting the worst? IF that's the case, then I suggest that "the worst" is generally what you'll get, because you will probably have a hard time finding other options. This was the case in my family when I was a child.

One of my two sisters was extremely difficult/strong-willed from birth, as my mom tells it, and my mom was extremely controlling and believed she had to force us physically to do her will (pushing or hauling on us as if we were merely objects, threatening and spanking). That "worked" for the two of of us who were more compliant (although it left us with some serious issues to work out later), but my strong-willed sister never did respond well, and our home was often a battlefield, with child and mother screaming, striking out, and crying, and the rest of us cowering as far as we could get from the stress.

A half-sister followed several years later, and she was treated more gently, perhaps a little too leniently – but I think my mom was more exhausted than reformed. Us older girls all have pity, contempt, confusion, or love/hate feelings for my mom for the way she treated us. Yes, she was overwhelmed, but I think she caused so much conflict with her approach it made her life harder, too. I think if she had made an effort to consider situations from our perspective, and to offer us controlled choices, it would have made a world of difference. Particularly for my "difficult" sister. But to this day, she thinks parents who show respect or compassion for their children's needs are making a grave error.

I was afraid for my first 4 years of marriage that I could NEVER be a mom, because the modeling I received from my mom. I was determined to NEVER repeat that scenario, so I started reading parenting books when I realized I wanted to have a child. And discovered that there are many alternatives to forcing a child's obedience or pounding him into a mold. The results were delightful. Now, decades later, there are a whole slew of fantastic parenting books that clearly describe how to put more positive options to work in any family.

Here are a few especially good ones:

Parenting Without Power Struggles, by Susan Stiffelman, which is appropriately subtitled 'Raising Joyful, Resilient Kids While Staying Cool, Calm and Connected."

The Happiest Toddler on the Block, by Dr. Harvey Karp. You can also watch a few quick videos about his approach: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ1428uYs2g&NR=1&a.... . He demonstrates exactly how he "speaks" the toddler's language so they know he's heard the need they are expressing. This calms them and makes it easier for them to cooperate.

Playful Parenting, by Lawrence J. Cohen, PhD.

I've also heard glowing recommendations for a book I haven't read yet: Raising Your Spirited Child: A Guide for Parents Whose Child Is More Intense, Sensitive, Perceptive, Persistent, and Energetic, by Mary Kurcinka.

As your child gets older and more communicative, How to Talk So Kids Will Listen, and Listen So Kids Will Talk, by Faber and Mazlish, is simply the most practical and effective parenting book I've ever found.

And a website that's very rich in "do-it-now" tips is http://www.askdrsears.com/html/6/T060100.asp

My best to you.

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E.W.

answers from Cleveland on

My question is what has the behavioral psychologist said? IF there have been some issues identified then you need to approach it from that perspective. And you need to be CONSISTENT.

M.3.

answers from St. Louis on

30 minutes in timeout for a 2 y/o is too long. Fortunately, a two minute time out works for my son. But honestly there have been times he just wont cooperate. Just think about it, I know its stressful, but hes two, you can def over power him. I would have given him the bath when I wanted to fit or not and completely ignored him. After that I would have distanced myself from him until he cooled off. I dont know that I would have done another time out. I am pretty much convinced everyone is bipolar until they are like 25! LOL! They are going to freak out, but its your reaction that counts. Do what you have to do, and get breaks from him in your patience has run out. Dont let him decide when you can and cant do things. Just do it and eventually, hopefully he will go with the flow.

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D.K.

answers from Indianapolis on

Do you ever talk to him about alternative behavior vs. the "NO"s or just being a "big boy" or "good boy". You have to be CLEAR AND CONCISE. Be very specific in what you want and expect and DO NOT compromise.

Talk about the consequences of poor choices, too. Make sure you acknowledge every single little good choice that he makes, too. Occasionally, reward him in some way, but NOT every time. You don't want to think he gets rewarded for every good choice.........technically and in the long run......you DO because you develop good habits based on continuous good choices.

When you talk, make sure to have HIM tell you what might have been the better option/choice rather than just tell him. Get him to start THINKING about those choices vs being told what to do or not do.

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K.G.

answers from Columbus on

If you haven't tried 1-2-3 Magic yet, I would suggest that. It worked well for us at that age and we still use it (my son is 7).

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L.H.

answers from Dayton on

I can feel your frustrations here. My home includes 4 boys. And they have all been defiant over one thing or another. I will try and rationalize with them and if they still don't 'get' it, I have a wooden spoon. When that comes out they tend to be more compliant. My one son, for what ever reason, did not like to take a bath (I think it was interferring with his play time), so I let him draw the back and we put bubbles in it. It worked for a bit. At 2.5 the big choices should be do you want green beans or carrots for dinner. My youngest is 3.5 and his biggest decisions is what is he going to wear that day.

Stay firm and stay consistent. It will take a little time, but he will get it. Also, Dr. Dobson has some good books for stong willed children.

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