I Need Kids Vaccination Help! Please

If you think she's allergic, then prove it and take her to an allergist and have them test her for allergies.
If she's not allergic, then proceed with the vaccination schedule.
If she is allergic then there are alternative vaccinations for those are are allergic to them or have the doctor help you manage the allergic reaction.
Whooping cough, measles, and other diseases are deadly and are far worse than any allergic reaction.

It sounds line the Dr gave you the boot because you refuse to listen to what he/she says plus... They can't risk having unvaccinated children exposing others in the waiting area to potential deadly diseases just because you're scared of a vaccine.

Vaccines and antibiotics do not cause the flu or eye issues.

Go to an allergist to determine any allergies.

Please get educated about vaccines and the benefit of protecting your children as well as other children they are around. Be responsible.

If you are still this bent out of shape about it go talk to a counselor so you can better understand why we vaccinate children.

Deadly diseases are returning because people have chosen to not vaccinate their children.

Be prepared to homeschool your children and be isolated from others.

There are minor complications from vaccinations. Its because your body reacts to them by building up antibodies which fight of the disease. A fever, fussy child, a little off in feeding is all normal and I'm sure your doctor let you know this could happen. If your child had a high fever for weeks then she might have an allergy to the shot or more likely came down with some sort of viral infection after getting the shot so the fever had nothing to do with vaccinations.

Somehow you are under the impression that the things your doctor does cause medical complications with your children and realistically that just isn't the truth. Its like people think autism is caused by vaccinations but the 'study' linking them was written by a fraud who admitted he made it all up,

AT this point the ball is in your court since the doctor's office has told you they won't treat your kids if they are not vaccinated. They don't want your child bringing potentially deadly diseases into their office and exposing infants and children with suppressed immune systems to them. So you either vaccinate or not, get a new doctor or not, do some serious research on exactly when complication can happen from medication using medical sites instead of crazy inaccurate sites and decide from there.

You can't have it your way with this doctor. She requires certain things of her patients and to be honest I'm with her. Funny how the anti vac mom's jump right on the shot wagon when their kid ends up disabled or dead from something that was avoidable if they had only gotten a shot.

I think you have received some excellent advice and also think Diane B nailed the situation most perfectly.

When you don't trust a doctor, you don't just decide not to take your kid in for their well-checks. You go elsewhere.

Unlike what some have suggested, medical care is only partly about customer service. It's also more important that we don't sacrifice the greater good for one family. This is why you have preschools, daycares and schools requiring vaccinations. My son is going on a Cub Scout camp this summer-- Guess what? His vax records are required. As are my husband's (who is going with him). Conscientious organizations know that this is one of the first, best defenses for public health when large groups of people gather together.

It's easy to want to find a 'reason' for things. I get that. I have a kid with delays and a small handful of other challenges we've had to deal with. It's easy to want to make connections; that said, we have to resist this idea that what we 'believe' is fact. For years, I have heard *other people* make some very silly connections about my son's challenges and my parenting. Isn't that a doozy? I've done a lot of biting my tongue. Fact: I have a chromosomal defect, only discovered in the past few years, wherein I don't absorb B vitamins. None. This can at least explain my health history more fully now. This likely has something to do with my son's current challenges as he wasn't getting B vitamins in the womb. And it's likely that he carries this as well. Genetics can play a very powerful, hidden role in our health and our own child's development. I think genetic testing would be a more sound use of your time and effort; guessing is only like throwing darts at a dartboard, hoping to hit the bulls-eye without actual FACTS.

When it comes to our kids, we get what we get, and it is helpful not to get upset about it. Instead, educating oneself is the best route you can go.

I agree with Patricia that "correlation is not causation" - so just because 2 things happened at the same time (or one shortly after the other) doesn't mean that one caused the other.

I also question the decision to give antibiotics for the flu. Antibiotics are totally ineffective against a virus. Is it possible that you didn't understand why they were being given? Unless they had a raging sinus or ear infection at the same time, there would be no need for antibiotics, and in fact this would be a bad idea (antibiotics are overused and give rise to super-bugs). Did they perhaps need an inhaler because they also had breathing problems? Just throwing out suggestions here.

I understand completely that you were worried about your 2 month old - but instead of seeking out a second opinion, you chose not to take her in anywhere until 9 months. So the pediatrician rightly concluded that you are not in agreement with the philosophy and guidelines of the practice, and you would be better off with someone else. You say that "the people who I had entrusted the well-being of my children instead of helping me and guiding me gave me the boot." But you didn't trust them really, did you? You disagree with pretty much everything they told you, you insist that your children are reacting and becoming ill because of what they told you to do, right? You say they told you to leave because you complained about the vaccines - but that's not the reason. The real reason is, you refused to bring your infant in for anything, from 2 months to 9 months of age. So you should want to move on even more than they want you to leave. Many, many pediatricians are refusing to see patients who do not agree with vaccines - it's not safe for their other patients (including very young babies) to have other people in the waiting room who are not vaccinated. That's how these deadly diseases spread. And it's how diseases that were virtually eliminated from the U.S. have now become active again.

Also, you don't believe the doctor's diagnosis of esotropia - so you have to find a doctor who will partner with you and let you do some of the diagnosing. I don't know the best way to do that. The AAPOS, the American experts in children's eye issues, says nothing about this condition being related to antibiotics. http://www.aapos.org/terms/conditions/48

If you are insisting that vaccines cause problems, you must find an alternative physician who agrees with you that these are harmful. You may also find someone who will do an alternative schedule with you (spreading out vaccines vs. clustering them together). You could also find out a lot more about the ingredients in the vaccines from different manufacturers - preservatives and so forth. Sometimes the vaccine is the same but the method of "storage" is different. There was a question about this not long ago on Mamapedia - you can search for it and read the answers.

I think you might benefit from taking your children to a major children's hospital for a full battery of tests and diagnoses that you will believe. A second opinion is always a good idea, and one major medical center that houses all the specialties you need would ensure that your children's care was fully coordinated. If you want referrals in your area, I suggest you post a new question, click the button on the question page that lets you restrict it to the region you're in, and also put the geographic region right in the title of your question. I also think you should take a friend with you - someone who is not closely involved, who is objective, who is not nervous in medical situations, and who has a good command of English especially in medical settings, and who will take good notes for you. That's always a good idea in situations where a parent is overwhelmed with so much info, so many worries, and one or more children to deal with in the appointment room.

And no, you will probably not be able to enroll any unvaccinated children in public school without vaccinations, unless you have documentation from a qualified, board-certified physician that your children suffer from some autoimmune disease that makes vaccines impossible for them. You can home school, of course, but you still should not take your children into situations where they will expose others to the diseases, or where they will be exposed to other people (adults and children) who refused vaccinations. So that means that parks, stores, children's museums, kids' classes and activities, and any crowded location is a risk for them and others. It may also include hospitals - so you will have to work out something with any children's hospital to even have them allow your unvaccinated child in for those tests and evaluations I mentioned above.

I hope you get the information you seek.

Doctors do NOT give antibiotics for the flu. So your girls must have had something else. Also, antibiotics will not cause your eyes to cross. That is a muscle issue in the eye. So they said a year, well apparently your kids eyes weren't 100%. I'm so glad that you got them to the eye specialist and getting that corrected.

So, you feel your youngest had a reaction to the shot. Ok, she might have. However, did you ask the doctor to work with you on a schedule to do individual shots? If not, why not?

As for the doctor not "finding" the main root of the allergy. Your pedi is NOT an allergist. Of course your doctor is pushing the vaccines. They work!

Your pedi obviously tried but you either didn't or wouldn't listen to what she/he was saying. You don't trust them and they know it. So, they fired you. Okay, so now find a new pedi. Call around and ask if they will work on a graduated schedule of vaccinations for your youngest. If you feel she is allergic to an ingredient, take her to an allergist. However, they may say she is too young to test for allergies.

Please find a pedi you trust.

I think your children's symptoms/fever/esotropia are not related to the vaccines/antibiotics. You are linking them together in your mind when they are unrelated. This is a common mistake that we humans make...linking together two things in our mind that happen close together. But the truth is they are unrelated. If you want to find out more info about allergic reactions then go to an allergist. But from what I know of esotropia is it is not caused by an allergy. My cousin had this as a child. It is common for children aged 1-4 to get it and it is caused by uncorrected far-sightedness. Basically, it is caused by poor vision. You think they had nothing wrong with them but we cannot tell by looking at someone that they are farsighted. It is not something you can see. My cousin is a beautiful adult woman now who does wear glasses...but her eyes no longer cross. Fevers happen. Esotropia happens. They would have happened anyway. I'm not sure how you can relieve your fears, but I do think you should find a new pediatrician and continue with the vaccination schedule. The diseases that vaccinations are for used to cause a huge percentage of children to die, become deaf, etc. We do not want to go back to those days.

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First off - antibiotics do NOT work on the FLU. It's a virus not a bacteria. So if she was diagnosed with the flu and the Dr gave antibiotics? You're doctor is incompetent.

Vaccinations. Your children are having reactions. Do they happen? Yes. You need to find a pediatrician who will work with you on vaccinations and not give them all at once.

Eyes turning. This wasn't because of the antibiotic. This is a muscle issue. She needs to see an ophthalmologist.

Yes, pediatricians can tell you they don't want you as clients anymore. That's what "right of refusal" means. You need start calling other pediatricians and interviewing them. You need to ask how they treat vaccinations - one at a time or in groups. Tell them about her reaction and how they will handle future reactions, if any. Have you taken any of your kids to an allergist to be tested for allergies?

Good luck!

I wonder if you didn't understand the doctors. Instead of "normal" they may have said their symptoms were not related to the meds and it is normal for kids to have these illnesses. I suggest the opthamoligist suggested they might only need them for a year. I wonder if you're anxious about health issues and/or don't trust doctors. Perhaps you are anxious about vaccinations and, in your mind, tied the illness to the vaccination. Or perhaps English is a second language.

I suggest you make an appointment with each doctor to clarify what they said if you didn't do that at the time. Statistically, one of your assessments could have happened. It's unlikely that you had several such situations with different doctors.

Sounds like you've been misinformed - either communication issue, or you're not asking the right questions.

Esotropia isn't caused by antibiotics. I have a friend who developed it after a nasty URI as a kid. She did not take antibiotics. (Should add, I don't know if there was a link to her infection - it just preceded when hers happened).

Allergies - you need to see an allergist. I think it's only 1 in 2 million kids who are actually allergic to vaccines. So it's doubtful. Far more likely that she had a reaction. Without getting her diagnosed at the time - I can see why your doctor isn't on the same page with you as to it being an allergy. And probably not super patient with you because you didn't bring her in. She doesn't know what she's dealing with. I'd be cautious too if I were her.

That being said - vaccines had a really bad wrap. The Autism link was debunked and that doctor lost his license. There are definitely cases where people have suffered consequences, and you can look into that. But if your daughter wasn't ill enough to have taken her in, I'd just come up with a plan to vaccinate in stages. One of ours had to have that. It worked out fine.

You sound frustrated and upset and sometimes it's easier to pin that on the doctor but they can only help you if you help them. Time to find a new one but let them do the diagnosing.

I very seriously doubt the problems your kids are having are related to the vaccines. Too many people try to make that connection and it's just not there.

Your kids will have to be vaccinated for school, that's not optional. If you don't want to do that, you will have to homeschool. Them being vaccinated is not only for their protection, but every other child as well.

Sorry that your doctor isn't supportive and open to exploring what's going on, that's lousy. Dr. Sears maintains a website of "vaccine friendly" doctors who are willing to work with patients who want to take a non-standard approach to vaccines. The link is below:

http://www.askdrsears.com/topics/health-concerns/vaccines...

For the eye issue, look into 6th cranial nerve palsy. It can result in esotropia and be caused by a virus or infection. It may be that the eye issue was a result of the illness and not the antibiotic. That said, it's too bad that your doctor and opthamologist didn't explore that further.

Hope this helps and good luck to you - your position may not be a popular one but you are your children's fiercest advocate and it's OK to continue to push and do what's right for them.

I just can't believe all the answers to M.'s concerns. OMG.

Vaccines do harm in some cases and can injure a lifetime due to the toxins. I have seen cases. Vaccines are not magic potions.

My son had temporary hearing loss as a reaction due to antibiotics and the doctor was a wreck and admitted that vaccines and antibiotics could cause all kinds of surprises in some cases which is rare but always possible. She said for liability reasons she had to prescribe what she did but her personal believe was to wait with vaccines after the kids are at least 3 year s old.

However, your kids can attend school with an exemption the health department offers on their website.

Trust your instincts. You will find a new doctor which will be more supportive than the "old" one.

People are not all the same and we do not all respond the same way to drugs or vaccines, just like we do not all respond the same way to infectious diseases. During the past three decades the Institute of Medicine has published a series of reports pointing out the large gaps in vaccine safety science and has confirmed that some people are genetically, biologically and environmentally more susceptible to suffering brain inflammation and other types of serious vaccine reactions but doctors often do not know who will be injured or die from vaccination.

At the same time, public health officials admit that children and adults can be fully vaccinated and still get infected with and transmit infectious diseases, such as pertussis, sometimes without even knowing it. There have been recent reported outbreaks of pertussis, measles and mumps and many of those affected have been fully vaccinated.

Our daughter had a high fever and was very sick after her first immunizations. Ended up she had pneumonia. It was not related to the vaccines. Did you take your baby in when she was running the fever after her shots?

More and more clinics are refusing care if parents refuse immunizations. They don't want to risk having patients in the waiting room being exposed to someone who may have a serious illness. It will be extremely difficult to find schools or dsycares that will admit unvaccinated kids.

Call a new pediatrician and explain what happened. Plan out a schedule to get caught up on vaccinations. You could also check with a community health nurse.

So many answering this question are quick to judge about vaccine reactions when its not their child having the reaction.

Keep looking for a doctor to work with you, there are doctors out there that understand each human is unique and will work on a proper vaccine schedule for your children. It is possible that your children are allergic to something in the vaccine. Also, un-vaccinated people DO NOT spread disease if they have not been injected with it or exposed to it. We all get exposed to different viruses and bacteria the same way, the difference is how each persons immune system will fight it off.

IMO, I would be more concerned about catching some rare illness from the illegal immigrants flooding our country since they haven't been properly vetted or screened for these things. TB is on the rise, along with many others Americans haven't seen in decades.

M. R.
I completely understand your concerns about vaccines.. with so much information out there linking vaccines to autism etc.. I can definitely feel your pain. I am pregnant myself with my 3rd and I don't remember all these issues when I had my daughter and son 12 and 11 years ago.
With that being said, I definitely agree you should interview other pediatricians. Call your insurance company and see who is on their list & then go online and see the reviews for them. That your pediatrician dismissed you because you disagreed instead of sitting down with you and showing you research to support your position doesn't sit well with me. I don't care about the 'right of refusal' piece-- how about customer service and educating the parent?? Our kids are everything to us and why shouldn't we questions treatments?

Some of the moms here are so damn judgemental- that is definitely NOT the purpose of this forum!! So ignore the rude comments !!

I don't necessarily agree with your conclusions but I know there was a time when the medical community thought that X-rays were safe. (My mother used to X-ray her feet for fun at a local shoe store when she was a kid.)

Google "homeopathic pediatricians" in your area. Best of luck!

The laws are getting more strict. Our district will not allow kids in unless they have a doctor's note specifically stating they cannot have them. As for the religion thing, they have to prove they are a member of that church that prohibits them and show that they are attending. They can't say they're a member but one not be within 300 miles.

Kids need vaccines. I suggest you have them done at a children's hospital clinic or something where they can observe them and see for themselves what's going on.

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A mother's instinct should never be dismissed. You now have joined the thousands who were doing what you thought was best until unexplainable reactions caused you to question. There is much controversy over the vaccine safety debate and much research and factual cases in the thousands being brushed under the rug. It is a documented fact that many have adverse reactions as it may not be for everyone's body to handle . This is not to get into what everyone believes on the subject but to help a mom out. Very hard to get a medical or philosophical exemption by law. All but 2 states allow for religious exemptions. look up the law in your state and draft a letter including that statue number and that due to your religious rights you no longer wish to inocculate your child(ren) with these . You do not need to belong to any particular sector or even state your religion. The school needs to have on file updated vaccines for when the state comes to evaluate the records or have this written letter on child's file as to why. It is the law and the school just needs their backs covered as a child cant be without reason as to why not updated. Letter will take care of that. Your doctor did u a favor by showing true colors of not respecting your decisions or concerns. Try looking up holistic or integrative medicine doctors in your area. Please show support for each other Moms and not judge each other. A mother is reaching out for help and advice not judgements. She is not alone in her concerns and be thankful you haven't been in position to make these hard not so popular decisions. I know others personally that have been in her shoes.