L.C.
Just don't do it.
He'll do it at the last minute or he won't.
Find out what the teacher's consequence is for not doing it at all.
Ask the teacher to speak with him about why it's important to do it himself.
Hi Mamas!
How do you get your kids to do their own school projects?? My 2nd grader is giving me fits and keeps asking me to just do it for him because it will look better. His teacher really wants minimal parental involvement on this project which is building a leprechaun trap.
We went over the instructions and we looked online for what different traps looked like and I told him I would take him to the store to buy decorations but that was going to be almost it unless he needed help building it.
His project is due in a few days and he is still holding out for me to jump in and help.
Thanks everyone for the great input - I dont disagree with what anyone said. It's a balance between facilitating and consequences. What I tried is walking him through the plan (which is part of his project). We looked at ones on the internet and I gave him questions and choices to consider such as does he want to use a box or a net? What would make better bait: Lucky Charms, gold chocolate coins or glitter? I wanted to help him see that it was manageable but he really is just being stubborn. My husband and I decided we are going to enforce it like we do other homework. No computer and no TV until he's worked on it for at least 20-30 minutes and made progress. If he does tha, he can get it all done in that amount of time.
Just don't do it.
He'll do it at the last minute or he won't.
Find out what the teacher's consequence is for not doing it at all.
Ask the teacher to speak with him about why it's important to do it himself.
The answer is simple. The follow thru is difficult. DO NOT HELP except when it's appropriate, such as helping him find info and taking him to the store. I suggest that you not say you'll help with building it if he needs help because that opens the door to his saying, I can't do this.
Then become a broken record. "This is your project. I cannot help." Over and over. He'll probably not complete the project this time. He'll have the natural consequence given to him at school when he doesn't turn in a project. Be sympathetic but continue to say, I cannot help you. I know you can do it. You don't need to give an additional consequence. You're not wanting him to please you. You're wanting him to succeed in school. School is where the consequence lies.
Be sympathetic when he's upset after the consequence at school. Keep telling him you know that he can do it. I know, it gets so frustrating hearing the I can't do it and please help me. But if you start giving in now you'll be fighting this "battle" for years to come. Stop the cycle now before it gets a good start.
If you can refrain from "making it better" look at what he's doing from time to time and praise any little thing that you can. If seeing him fail is difficult for you then stay back and encourage him from a distance.
You can do it!
When my son was in 2nd grade he aws put into the "advanced" group because of his reading ability which was great. However along with it came all these open ended projects. He could do anything with a blueprint but ask him to do anything "creative" and he froze. In particular was a sheet that came home asking for a project on egypt. it could be ..... and there was a list of topics, king tut, pyramids, hyroglyics etc and use whatever materials you would like. He was so frustrated. He as in tears. So what I told him was well if it was me I might use my playdough and maybe make a pyramid. He went off with it. took a shirt box and made blue playdough into the nile, made yellow pyramids and used some camels we bought at a toystore in the animal section. it was great and the teacher loved it. I didn't do any of it but make a suggestion for him to start with. maybe just give him a suggestion.
i would give him one warning about doing it for himself and if he doesn't he will get an incomplete and a lower grade for it. he needs to learn to do things for himeself. i also have a 2nd grader and i have told him if he forgets his lunch or backpack....oh well...he is old enough to start taking responiblity for him self. jsut like too if he doens't get dress in the mroning and tv is more important he'll have to wear his jammies to school!! if you don't start letting him answer for his actions he will never learn!!!
No is no.
As you know, the child is supposed to take the lead in the project, with minimal parent assistance. My daughter had a project like that, I think most 2nd graders do.
Tell him, that a Teacher CAN always tell... when a parent did the project for the child. And they can. Its true. You cannot "fool" the Teacher because they keenly know, if it was a child made project or parent made.
AND, if he does not do it on his own, or his own original thoughts... and "you " do it for him, it is cheating. Tell him that. And it would NOT be doing the project properly.
If he stalls on it, "waiting" for you to do it and jump in. Then so be it. He can keep waiting. Then he either does NOT get to turn in a project (and he'll have to explain to the Teacher why), or, it will get turned in late, IF the Teacher allows for that. And as Mom, you can explain to the Teacher further.
It will be a "lesson" for him. A real life lesson.
My daughter, once, did not want to study for a reading test. On a book. chapter book. She told me she KNOWS the book real well and does not have to study for the test. She emphatically told me that. I told her I would trust her... and not nag about it anymore. But that I had hoped she reviewed the book. Well, the next day she took the test. She only got 2 correct out of 20 questions. She "failed." She felt bad. She "realized" that she did NOT know the book and that reviewing was always important. I... let her take the test, not prepared, on purpose. It was okay. I wanted her to learn a lesson about the whole rationale she explained to me and that despite her thinking she knew everything, she did not.
She, usually being a great student and doing great on tests. This time, not.
So, that was my real life lesson... for her. She learned.
(adding this): I did not do this, with a test that was a major thing, nor one that impacts her overall "grades." So, it was fine.
All the best,
Susan
Please make yourself step back. I didn't... and now both of us are paying the price. Your son is young enough that if it is a flop... it's not a matter of consequence. If you start helping too much now... you will ALWAYS end up feeling like you must help... you will end up dis-abling (not en-abling) your son. Is is much easier for a 2nd grader to take an F (probably won't be an F anyway.. but...) on a project than for a 5, 6 or 7th grader... when it will count for a large portion of their 9 weeks grade.
Make some suggestions, and have him tell you when he plans to work on it. The end.
I always ask my son about his projects/homework... he's ALWAYS going to do it "this afternoon"... I follow up with "at what time?" and MAKE him state a time. Then HE has planning doing it.... he just doesn't realize it.
I zeroed in on the phrase "because it will look better." Why won't a self-made project look better? Look better than what (or whose project)? Why is this important?
Tell him that when two people work on a project, it may look one way, but when one person works on it, it always looks a different way. Not having his partner (you) will make the project different, but that can be an adventure. The teacher has assigned this as a one-person project and that person is him, so whatever he comes up with is evidently going to be fine. So no whining!
If he needs to get his imagination going, you might ask him to pretend to be somebody else - perhaps a favorite imaginary character - and make the project the way he thinks that person would do it. I've sometimes jump-started my brain by starting with what the *worst* way to make something would be instead of the best (then I find I can do better than my worst!). But I don't know if that would work on a second-grader.
Stand firm and DO NOT DO IT FOR HIM. You will not be doing him ANY favors in the long term. He has to learn to do things himself, and to develop confidence in himself. I think it's ok if the child is doing it primarily on his/her own and needs help with a question here and there, but your role should be to encourage and guide, not to do for him.
You could help by creating the space for him to do it - for example, suggest a time frame when he can work on it, and you'll be in the vicinity in case he has any questions. But instead of doing it for him, I would turn his demands into questions aimed back at him: 'How do you want to build the frame?' or 'What shape do you want to make your trap? How do you want to build this?' or if it's not working well, 'How else can you try this?' Wait for him to answer though.
If he is feeling frustrated or impatient, he needs to learn that things take time and work (and focus and discipline...). I think that's a big thing for kids to get through these days - I see it in mine sometimes. And he also will need to know that it's ok to make mistakes, to do things imperfectly.
If he still does not do the project on his own, he needs to understand what that means by experiencing the consequences of that decision - on his own.
Sorry, but I guess I spoiled my kids. I didn't do the projects for them but I would help them brainstorm ideas, get the supplies, and even help them start and then the rest was up to them. Have you ever seen some of the projects kids bring in? Most times they are completely done by parents and that in itself can be intimidating to some children. Some children are just not creative and need a little help. I don't see anything wrong with helping him a little with ideas, and maybe get him set up. Some projects to me are not even age appropriate they can be quite challenging. I always loved when the teacher would say use the supplies you have at home. Yea! I always have supplies to make a rain forest shadow box laying around in my junk drawer. LOL!! I am all about teaching responsibility but sometimes the school work children get today can be very difficult and quite challenging. Don't do the project for him but I think it is okay to give him a little jump start. Especially boys I think most times when it comes to school work they are less then enthusiastic and need a gentle push.
When my oldest was in 2nd grade, the teacher had them studying the solar system. They had to make a planet and bring it in. I asked her what she wanted to do - which planet. We talked and she asked if I have a favorite (I like Saturn) which she decided she liked after we looked at pictures of planets. I looked for directions - but she had to do the work. I was there, but I was a supervisor - you know, "Well, if it was me, I would....." Turned out awesome! Kids need to know they CAN do things on their own - even if they aren't "perfect"!
Is it too involved?
Simplify it for him. What about a baggie with glitter?
There are times when being a parent is very difficult. You need to allow him to fail. This is a safe time. It is one project, it is second grade and he is going to be shocked at what others turn in and get a good grade for.
If he really does not do the project, let him face the consequences. He will receive a zero and he will see EVERYBODY else was able to do the project.
It will be a wake up call to him that you did not swoop in and save him..
I also suggest you and your husband not even mention it to your son any more.
I would do anything in your power to keep your son positive about school. I wouldn't do the project for him but I would help him. In 2nd grade they really do need some help. Go to the craft store and have him pick out things he likes for his project, sometimes when they have stuff in hand they get excited to do it. Also, let him know you will help but you want him to direct the project. That way he does it but you are there for him.
Good luck.