Advice on In-laws

Updated on September 11, 2010
P.K. asks from Olympia, WA
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I hope to not sound like the "my-son-can-do-no-wrong," lady, but I have a four-year-old son who is pretty well-behaved...that is, until my in-laws are around. When he first sees them, he gets really excited and so do they, however, soon thereafter, he starts to come down while grandma and grandpa are still follwing him around wanting to play or hold a conversation. It seems to me that he gets overwhelmed and it quickly turns into frustration.

When it's time to eat, one of them is on each side of him trying to feed him or convince him of why he should eat his vegetables. He just flat out says no. By this time, my husband is also frustrated because his son isn't being the perfect child around his parents and he too joins in the discussions only to make things even worse.

I've told him numerous times what I think the issue is, but he doens't seem to want to accept it even though he's seen our son around my family who let's him do his thing and he's perfectly fine.

I'm not going to be the one to say anything to my in-laws because they will be angry and/or hurt by me doing so. I've mentioned to them once or twice that he doesn't act like that around me, but that's as far as I've taken it.

I've gotten to the point where I find it kind of humorous that they can't seem to see what is happening; and I'd be willing to let them contiune on their blind journey as long as it didn't continue once they were gone, but it gets on my nerves that once they leave here, they call up my husband's brothers and comment on how bad he behaved this time around. His behavior has become the topic of conversation every time we see them.

Should I interfere? Not worry about it and continue what I'm doing? Any other prespective would be great.

Thanks.

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Thanks to everyone for the great advice. It's nice to know that I'm not overreacting. I will be speaking w/ my hub about taking control of the situation when his parents are around. One of us is going to have to, and if he doesn't then I will.

My son really is a good kid, but I will also be talking to him about what to do if he's frustrated and maybe that will be the clincher for gram and gramp.

This website is awesome and so are the moms.

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J.M.

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If I were you I would intervene. Not "interfere" but intervene. I had a mother who would just stand back and watch in situations like that and it really soured my relationship with my relatives and it had an impact on how I viewed my mother. (I didn't feel a lot of respect for her when I was growing up, because she seemed so passive and weak when she failed to stand up for my sister and I.)

In your situation, I would step in immediately. (You are the first and best advocate your child will ever have - when the visit stops being enjoyable and pleasant and starts being harmful/destructive, I think you have a responsibility to step in.) When your son starts getting overstimulated and needs some downtime, just politely step in and say something like, "Oops. It's looking like "Johnny" is getting a bit tired. Johnny, would you like to (do something that it peaceful or something he can do solo - look at a book, watch a video, play a computer game, etc.) while Grandma and Grandpa has a cup of tea with Mommy and Daddy?

At dinner, take control and set the guidelines: Place the food on the plate and let "Johnny" know what the expectations are. (You're really telling Grandma and Grandpa what the expectations are.) "Okay, Johnny, here's your plate. Now remember that you don't have to clean your plate, but you do have to have one big boy bite of everything!" Then, if your in-laws try to push and pressure him into eating everything you can cheerfully step in and say, "oh thanks so much Mom and Dad, but as long as Johnny has at least one bite of everything on his plate he's doing great. It's okay if he doesn't eat all of the vegetables."

My sister started her family ten years before I did, and I noticed that she followed exactly in my mother's footsteps on this issue. I felt the effects first-hand and I watched the effect on my sister's daughter (though I did intervene several times to protect her). I took a different position with my children, and I only had to stand up to relatives a few times before they figured out where the line was. We've had a great relationship.

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M.P.

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It seems obvious to me that your son is wanting his grandparents to realize he's a big kid now and needs his own space. I would talk with him about this possibility and brainstorm with him how he can get out of the "corner" they've put him in. He probably won't have any sophisticated ideas but he gets to be a part of the solution.

I would ask him to come to you when he's feeling out of control or when he's feeling anxious. Use words he understands. I would also watch for early signs of distress and intervene. Perhaps say to the grandparents, I see that our son is not wanting to play a game now. Let's try just leaving him to himself while all of us have a cup of coffee. I think another mother made this suggestion also.

When an opening comes available for a longer talk (without your son being present) suggest to them that both kids and adults don't like to be followed around so closely and told what to do. "Lets try giving him more space. He's more likely to want to be with you when he's able to make choices."

Explain the rules of your house and ask them to follow them. Perhaps give them a copy. Ask them what they expected from their son's grandparents. HOpefully this will start a dialogue that will lead to a solution that everyone is willing to try.

An all together different solution would be for you to plan your son's activities before the grandparents come over. Perhaps feed him dinner before the rest of you eat. Tell the grandparents that the next 15 minutes are quite time and take your son to his room or playroom and get him started on something. When you think he's able to play a game suggest one that you know he likes.

You can enlarge on reasons for what you do. Perhaps even say our son gets so excited when you come over that he needs to have some quiet time to calm down.

How do you get along with the grandparents otherwise? Could you go out for coffee and have a chat with them. This would be more effective if their son, your husband, could also go and back you up if he's not able to handle the conversation himself.

I know that there are parenting books that deal with the issue of children acting out when they are overwhelmed. Perhaps you could find one at the library and ask your husband to read it.

Another idea is to get the book, Love and Logic for Grandparents. It's been several years since I read it but it seems that they covered at least part of this issue. I know it helped me to realize that I needed to acknowledge to myself that I was doing things that made my daughter feel that I'd taken over. Sure seems to me that the grandparents do take over which is causing some of your tension. They are not acknowledging by their actions that you are the mother therefore you and your husband set the rules.

I suspect your husband fears that his parents will not listen to him. He's been told all of his life to obey his parents. They are in charge. But they aren't anymore. He's an adult and in charge of his own life.

It is more difficult to act as the person in charge when your spouse doesn't back you.

I suggest some short term counseling to get past this sense that he has to please his parents. And give him the sense that the two of you are a team. In a way it's like raising children. Disagreements are handled out of the hearing of the children. He doesn't have to agree with you in private. However, his role is to support you when you are with his parents.

Does your husband spend enough time with your son to understand what is happening? Perhaps he's not intuitive and wouldn't notice even if he was doing a part of the caretaking.

Find ways to support him and his beliefs while also asking him to support yours. (in private) Take away the concept that only one person is right thinking and find a compromise.

Perhaps your husband could play with your son with the grandparents. Your son may be more willing to play if he's being held by someone he knows will protect him from losing himself (ie. overwhelmed)

As difficult it will be, try not to be concerned about what others in your family will believe. If you're close to them and they have children they'll see for themselves that your child is good. When you defend your son to them it feels like there may be something wrong. Somewhat like the saying, "he does protest to much." meaning it's human nature to be defensive when they feel threatened. By protesting you are saying that you're not confident enough in yourself and your son to just let it go. You know you're OK so let what other's think be of no concern.

I think I've made some assumptions about some things that if they were different I'd suggest something else.

My assumptions: the grandparent's visit often.

That you have been able to discuss other important issues with them. Perhaps not personal issues but things like politics so that you feel like a respected adult.

And that you and your husband know how to show a united front thru experiences with other issues other people.

If they don't come often, say 2-3 times/year I might just let it slide. If you've never been able to have an adult to adult conversation with them don't start out with an issue that is this important to you and your son. And if your husband is the sort who either let's you handle your social life or argues with you in front of other people you need to work on that relationship first.

Real life example. My grandparents didn't want my dad to marry my mother. My dad was the passive don't make waves sort of person and relied on my mother to fight his battles for him. He did stay out of the way and agreed with her in private.

They lived with my dad's folks when their farm failed even tho my mother and grandparents had a difficult time talking with each other and my dad wouldn't step in. After I was born, the first child, my grandmother doted on me and thought she knew best about caring for me. I remember them arguing over me while I was in the crib. I was less than 2 so I don't remember words or the cause of the argument.

As I grew older I realized that my grandparents were often judgemental of my mother and sometimes would tell their son how he should handle life. I saw my father look at them while they were talking but not really listening. He did nod his head as if he agreed.

My father left it up to my mother to deal with the disagreements on her own. This did not work! They thought my father was hen pecked when he wasn't. He definitely had a mind of his own and made all the decisions the first few years of their marriage. He just didn't want to confront his parents. The result was that my mother became bitter about his lack of active support. She seemed to understand my grandparents and did not stay angry with them but she was still angry with Dad for years and years. I don't think they ever were able to resolve my mother feeling unprotected by my dad. This is grossly over simplified. I tell the story because it illustrates how important it is for couples to have a close accepting relationship between themselves. And that it is best for the child of the parents with whom you are dealing to take the initiative and talk with his parents. If he's not able to do that he must give his wife active support so that the grandparents' words and actions don't negatively affect the parents' relationship.

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M.M.

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Hey P.!

You know, I can understand your in-laws wanting to feed your son, hug him, follow him around, but it burns me up that they would bad-mouth a four year child - their own grandson even - to others. No wonder your son doesn't like to be around them. I wouldn't want to be around them either.

Anyway, I totally agree with the pp. You need to politely, but firmly just step in. State the rules to your son, but in your in-laws presence: "If you're not hungry, you don't have to eat dinner, but you do have to take at least one bite."

Don't let both grandparents sit next to him when he eats. When your son says he's done, QUICKLY stand up with a smile, take his plate and say, "OK! Let's put your dinner plate away then." Then make sure he leaves the table (you could have him take his plate to the kitchen with you and then congratulate him on what a big help he is).

Make sure there are toys or crayons or something for him to do for the rest of dinner. Keep him close to you.

Include him in preparing dinner, cleaning up after dinner (perhaps he could just play in the soapy water? my daughter loves this) and so on. This will keep him close to you and make it easier for you to step in.

Try to give him lots of little tasks to do - make it fun - tell him things like, "Are you super boy? Are you super fast? Then I've got a job for you! Take these napkins and put them on the table - quick! You've only got 3 seconds! Bzzzz! You did it!" It takes a lot of energy to do this, but it'll make him help you and then you can brag about what a big helper he is.

Practice this before your in-laws come, so it will be easy and natural for him.

My final two cents - I am sure your in-laws have some wonderful qualities. But the fact that they would speak poorly about their little grandson to others is an indication of THEIR immaturity. At the end of the day, you know your little boy is a great kid.

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E.B.

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I would totally say something. Because they think you have this monster of a child which is not true. I sort of have the same thing with my inlaws. where they dont see my kids as much as my parents and so my older boy acts out because grandma kitty is so much more strick about things and also smotheres him. You need to first explain to your hub that you are going to have a conversation with them the next time they come over and let him know where you stand on the issue be firm. Once you son gets tired of gm and gp following him around and he gets frustrated then it makes him think they are annoying and he wont want to see them as much. Your between a rock and a hard place but speak up for you and your son!! even if your hib gets upset. it will be worth it in the end.

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D.D.

answers from Spokane on

I agree with Marda D, for the most of her response about how your son needs you, his mother, his protector of all things, to be just that. Protect him. He always needs to know you are with him. He is only 4 years old! This is your son's safe place, home. He needs to feel safe. Punishing him for reacting is senseless. He is is reacting normal to someone overwhelming him. Who wants to feel uncomfortable in their own environment? Sounds like your inlaws have some control issues. This is your home and YOUR son. Extended family means extended. You and your husband are your boys "everything." If your hubby doesn't get on the same page with you, maybe outside forces( council or other family members who see the situation for what it is and agree with your sons need for respect, can help intervene) may be necessary. I have been in similiar situations with "inlaws." Don't take it lighty to brush off the attitude they put your little one in, as well as your self. This can cause life long turmoil as well as emotional damage to your boy. Respectfully and tactfully let them know who's boss. You may have to put up with the talk behind your back, but at least they know where you stand.

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S.H.

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That is a tough one. If it helps any I have twin 6 year olds who we adopted when they were 2. The were vey out of control because they had no structure and even though my in laws knew we were dealing with other issues they still comented on how they behaved. These kids had been neglected and abused but they still manage to tell me how their twin boys NEVER acted like that. Anyways I do you wanted help and not venting bit I thought I would jsut share you are not alone. It sounds like your son is overwhelmed and I would have no problems saying to my in laws in a nice way jsut that. it overwhelms him if you hover to much and I always say in our family we do not make food an issue. That is a big one for me. You need your husband on your side though if at all possible. If it is to bad you could try talking with your son before they come and offereing him a reward like you can stay up a little late or watch your favorit movie if you are real good when grandma and grandpa are here! He is not being bad though just normal.
My kdis still get wild around my in laws. Oh the other thing I do a lot is plan to go away or have my husband take the kdis to see his parents and only go to things on holidays. I can not stand it either!
Good luck!
Lisa

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S.J.

answers from Seattle on

personally I think that the inlaws are winding up your kid and they need to be told in some manner. Can' you talk to them over the phone? hmmm.

An idea- if you see them often enough you might want to do a thing with your husband as a 'lets try this' and then he can go back to his old ways if he is right. Try to figure out how you guys can be on the same side for 1 visit of his parents. Its hard to admit your parents can be causing problems because your parents are suppose to be perfect and that might be what your husband thinks and will get defensive.
But sometimes with my husband I ask 'just this 1 time lets try something new' because the old way isn't working. Then my husband can take a step back and look at the situation.

He needs to realize that you are trying to create an environment that works in his parents favor and to correct an issue. They obviously love your son and your husband shouldn't feel attacked by that.
Try to get your husband on board to see what is going on by getting him to first take a look honestly at the situation and find solutions that will help.

Inlaws can be hard to deal with. I asked my mother in law point blank to turn down the tv the other day since it was too loud for me to think. She just ignored me till I asked again and showed her I had a hard time w/ loud noise in the room. She felt that a blaring tv would help my son understand the cartoon better. :( Go figure. They have their quirks and think they are giving the world to our children because they know the right way- they raise your husband right? :P SIgh. heh.

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L.M.

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Don't think of it as interfering. Think of it as establishing "win-win" negotiations. It's not about telling your in-laws that they're bad or wrong, it's about making the whole thing much smoother. Let them know that your son is very proud of how he can do it all himself. "We're trying to encourage his independence, would you be willing to play along?"
Don't get sucked into them telling you about his bad behavior. You know what's really going on! What can you ask of your in-laws that might make the situation better? Does your son need some down time away from the cheek-pinching? Let them know that he now has reading time, or some other exucse, and we really need to let him do this on his own.
It's not about being argumentative, or telling them that they're awful grandparents (although.....). It's about getting what you want and need. Diplomatic relations need to revolve around "win-win".
Good luck!!!!!

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J.M.

answers from Portland on

I think you should say something and be pro-active for your son so that he doesn't get overwhelmed. I think I would start by saying, I need to let you know something that I've noticed when you come to visit... and mention how you think he is overwhelmed and maybe they should try to let him come to them and not them follow him around.

There is always some sort of miffed feelings here or there. But it won't get better unless you try to communicate and work it out. That's what families do.

I can see how annoying it is that you know that they mention his behavior to their other sons.

good luck!

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M.L.

answers from Washington DC on

i would love to hear an update on this. The same thing happens to my daughter. They constantly criticize her and say things like "Be good" when she is. It makes her nervous and want to avoid them. She wants grandparents who act like grandparents.

L.U.

answers from Seattle on

hi P. - 4 years old is not so young that he doesn't understand what his actions are doing to those who love him. I would sit down with him before your in-laws come over and explain to him what is expected of him, that he listens, that he is not rude, that he shares...whatever you want him to do. then, if he does not follow those rules he goes to time out, or whatever your form of punishment is. He KNOWS when he is acting inapproprietly, and he is taking for granted that you will not punish him in front of his grandparents when he is misbehaving. if he sees that his bad behavior is not letting him spend time with grandma and grandpa, then he WILL change is attitude, you just have to set the ground rules and then STICK TO IT!! good luck, 4 is a tough age (so is 3 and 5 and 6LOL) L.

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