5.5 Yr Old Son Is Hypercritical, down in the Dumps, and Conceited

Updated on June 25, 2009
E.A. asks from Atlanta, GA
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I am looking for new tacts to take with my 5 1/2 year old son. He is at times a very loving child, likes to be held and hugged, and is extremely creative in his thinking. He loves to think up new things to do and engage in roustabout, imaginary play.
My issue is that he frequently gets into funks where he is excessively critical. He will go for days (and now weeks) complaining about everything that crosses he mind, even going so far as to contradict his own complaints when I logically talk him out of them. I try joking with him, singing, suggesting fun things to do but the more I "work" at getting him into a good mood the more he digs into his bad one. He insists he never has any fun and can't stand his little brother, almost 3 yrs. "I'm never playing with him again!" This is peppered with interspersed periods of laughter and evident fun but when my husband and I point those moments out to him he refuses to acknowledge them as positive, completely denying those good times. This morning he told me "I don't even want to live anymore."
I was really broken hearted to hear that.
He has some trouble in groups with being too agressive. I *think* that because his dad roughhouses with him alot in an affectionate way, dear son has learned the behavior at home, however, he often hurts his friends by hugging or squeezing them too hard. He has not done serious damage but it is an aspect of his behavior that I have a hard time with. He has now taken up covert name calling. He does not do it explicitly, but he will tease others in a way that is borderline mean. I hate seeing my boy be a bully!! I wonder if he needs more discipline, if so, what? He seems to go way down in a depressed state when I call him out or correct him.
He is in a stage where he frequently boasts a high opinion of himself and is constantly comparing himself to others. For example, "My brother can't do ___ like I can because I am better/older than him." Or, "I am the best ___ in the world." He is then really deflated when reprimanded. Does he need to be taken down a notch even though he seems so fragile in his attitude/outlook? Sometimes he tries to manipulate me saying such things as, "Fine, I will never do such and such again!" and then pout for 20 minutes after I correct him.
I have heard that moving toward 6 can be a difficult stage. Is all of this normal?
He is changing schools to start kindergarten this fall and has expressed real sadness about leaving his old school.
My husband has a very good way with him. He seems to not take our boy's antics or bad attitude too seriously and the little guy seems to act much more positively with his dad. I just don't work the same way and can't seem to just take on my husband approach even though I am less reactive now than when he was younger.
Anyway, does this sound familiar to anyone else raising boys? A normal stage like some books say? Completely mental and needs a shrink? I need to hear some opinions. THANKS in advance if you have one. for me.

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C.D.

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E.....three boys in this house...ages 13, 7 and 2. (And one girl--11). KIDS are kids..they are all different.

I do think that you have to pay less attention to your little man when he is "down" and positively reinforce when he is "up".

Also some books that might help you are written by two men...Cline and Fay (Last names...they are Jim and and Charles..I think...) All of their books are based on what is called "Love and Logic" parenting. That is what the first one is called. They have specific ones for all ages. Start with "Love and Logic Parenting".

ANYHOW....one of them has raised a bunch of kids who have been tossed around in the foster care system and what he says works wonders. It is hard for me to do, because it is counter-intuitive to the way that I was raised but I just read it often to refresh myself.

I first ran across them at a conference when working as a Guardian Ad Litem/CASA worker (advocates in court for children in the Public system). The idea is to teach your children to make good decisions and behave inside social norms. Our job as parents is to raise good adults. This idea teaches you about doing that.
I do not think that it sounds like your child is mentally ill. You say he is not like this with your husband. I know that it is hard to change your outlook and the way you have done things, but start with some "Love and Logic" and work at it. You cannot allow a bully to enter the school system or hurt his friends. He is little and it is your job to teach him what is socially acceptable and what is not.
It sounds to me like he is just testing his boundaries with you. You have to draw the line and stick to what is acceptable.

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S.B.

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Hi, I think the boy is not at all sure of himself, there is too much horseplay with his Dad, and it could be good for you and they to have one visit with a good psychologist. The child is trying to tell you something!! Together, you can fix this pretty easily, but it will take the short term help of an outside eye and ear.
Punishment is probably not the answer, right now. S. B. (Very much older Mom of five--one girl, four boys.)

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R.L.

answers from Charleston on

Hi E.:
My daughter's behavior was similar to your son's when she was his age except much worse. The interaction between you and him is really being controlled by him. Sounds like he knows how to push your buttons. You should down play or ignore his critical/negative statements by redirecting him into another area of conversation and try to get him involved with activities inwhich he will acquire self esteem by sucessful completion. Boasting a high opinion of one's self is in many cases a smoke screen for a low self esteem which was the case with my daughter. Also sounds like he needs some time with you alone. Siblings are often very jealous of each other especially if they get the feeling the other is the favored child. The bullying is a separate issue. This is something your husband should handle.
R.

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K.D.

answers from Atlanta on

Dear E.,

I have witnessed many of the same characteristics in my 7 year old daughter off and on throughout her life believe it or not. Minus the conceited part. She is extremely artistic and creative but is hyper-sensitive, critical and prone to crying outbursts at time. She is the third of my four children. She has two older sisters and a much younger brother. She tends to compare herself to her sisters alot and it is my feeling she feels at a loss with the attention that is given to her younger brother who is still a baby.
I have seen great strides of improvement over her behavior during her seven years of life even though she is in "relapse" now d/t her younger sibling. When we call on her sense of being she does a double take. We tell her that she is always making choices...right or wrong and we ask her "is this who you want to be?" We are all called to a higher purpose of living but we are all prone to failure at any given moment. We encourage her to have a strong faith and even though we fail ourselves many times, we strive to lead by example. I read books to her about the saints/holy people that have travelled the roads of life before us and talk to her about some of the difficulties and struggles they also encountered.
We try to be consistent with our encouragement and discipline. She knows that there are consequences for her actions and i have tried to explain that the moment of choice is in the thought before it becomes an action.
She is a beautiful child and I emphasize the positive with her. Her favorite saint is St. Therese who talks about offering up "good deeds and actions" that are pleasing to God. We even made good deed beads so she could keep track of all of her offerings throughout the day.
We still have our struggles but she knows that God loves her so much and is always there for her to forgive her when she needs it. Keep encourage your husband to play with your son. Boys need their fathers to be good role models and they need their attention. there is so much gender/role confusion in our world today. Fathers need to be supported and encourage by their wives to be the spiritual leaders of thier families.
Good Luck and God Bless,

K.

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D.P.

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I think I would encourage the good behavior with praise and rewards (not goodies -- just things like "because you were so good in the store today, I'm going to let you stay up and read an extra 15 minutes tonight." And do your best to ignore the funk -- maybe the funks get him so much attention that they are more rewarding than the good behavior? But, I would lay down one big ground rule -- and that is, NO BEING HURTFUL -- not to his brother, not to you, not to his friends. That results in loss of toys/privileges/etc. Keep that praise pumping for the good behavior.

And keep an eye on him. Maybe even mention to his ped. your concerns (out of his earshot, of course.) I expect that five and six is a little young to be dealing with depression but it's not too young to begin exhibiting signs of sensory integration or social issues. It may be that some therapy would help him a lot in that. Just talking to a counselor may work wonders. I just wouldn't jump the gun and assume that's it.

But, do keep it in the back of your mind. Even if those are the issues, praising the good and ignoring the bad seems to be a good way to deal with things. And when it is time to step in and react, holding in the temper and "punishing" matter-of-factly is best.

I do hope the best for you!!!

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A.C.

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Your husband is handling it the right way, by being more passive. As a parent, if we are over-analytical and try to "make a lesson" out of everything causes our children to also over-analyze and get dramatic. If you feed into his "manipulation" and engage in conversation over his emotions, positive experience vs. negative experience, he is going to mimic that behavior and expect attention from every little thing. Try to lighten up and if he's in a bad mood, he's in a bad mood and he'll either quit being dramatic and play or stay in his "funk." It's his choice and he is very aware of that. The more you try and point out, the more he is going to act out. He must have heard "I don't want to live any more" from someone or television and again is merely repeating what is heard or what gets him attention. Ignore his comments and set a good example by enjoying YOURSELF, enjoy YOUR FAMILY, BE POSITIVE and HAPPY and he will follow.

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E.W.

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E.,

I have two sons, ages 5 and 7, who are both well-behaved and adjusted (according to their teachers and other adults they encounter like friend's parents.) They are not perfect in any stretch however. They are boys, and I expect boy behavior out of them.

Dr. James Dobson's video series (also a book) Bringing Up Boys was helpful to me. My expectations or norms as a woman do not always apply to my sons. I think there is a reason why your son does better with his dad. Part of it IS the roughhousing. That is good for boys. It tells your son that his dad thinks that he is worthy of time and attention. It tells your boy that his dad thinks that he is strong. It reminds your son that someday he will grow up to be a man. Those are important things.

I know that you're concerned about rough play with friends. I would just keep an eye on it. If the friends come running and screaming about how your son hurt them, then it needs to be addressed. Otherwise, your son is just being a boy. You might be able to tell him, "Not everyone is as strong as you and your dad." or "Your dad is the only person you know strong enough for that kind of (hug, wrestling, etc)" I know that might go against your grain as a teacher. Keeping control of a class is different than parenting, I think. He's right at the age where he needs a bit of freedom. If you have neighborhood kids or friends he can invite over, send him into the back yard to explore.

And don't make him play with the younger brother unless he wants to. I'm sure that's an attention or annoyance problem--younger brother gets too much, so he says he "hates" him. It's not true, and it will go away. Wait til his brother worships the ground he walks on and follows him around as his sidekick in a year or two.

When your son says, "I am the best ____ ever." Agree with him. Add some other things that he does better than anyone else you know. Tell him how amazing he is. We tell our kids all the time that they are the best kids we know. Positive self speak--doesn't that sound like psychobabble--is something that we all have to learn to do. That's the thing that will keep him going later in life when he has tests to study for, projects to do, jobs to get, contests to win. My older son will often say that he can do ____ better than his younger brother. I usually agree with him, and then say, and when your younger brother is your age, he'll be good at some things too.

As a teacher, if you want to make a HUGE difference in your son's self esteem, teach him how to read this summer. You're not going to roughhouse with him. It's not your m.o. But you can teach him and praise him to high heaven for every word, sentence and book that he reads. Both my 7 and 5 year olds are fluent readers. The 7 year old is reading on a 5th grade level. The 5 y.o. is heading into Kindergarten this year and hasn't been tested yet.

Where conceit comes in is when they treat others as less than themselves because of their own self-worth or lack thereof. I personally think that some of your son's moodiness has become manipulative with you. He doesn't get to cop an attitude with you or use mean words with others. One of your other posters talked about setting boundaries. I agree with her. You need to be firm with how he speaks to you and others.
Words matter. So does respect.

He needs to speak and act respectfully to you and others. If you only discipline for bad behavior and mean speech--it's not about him and his person. (Be sure to differentiate between cruel name-calling like stupid/idiot and regular boy vulgarity Doo-doo head) He is a good kid, looking to define himself and the world around him. He has a lot of change right now--school, mom going back to work. It's stressful for a little kid. But you can't change his mood. It's not your job. In reading this, I thought that you were trying too hard. The world does not revolve around him. Instead, tell him you need him to help you bake brownies. Tell him his brother isn't old enough to help. Or enlist his help in picking up something. When dad comes home, tell dad what an incredible job the son did in whatever it was.

I wouldn't spend another minute trying to logically convince him that he's happy. It'll only make him dwell on the miserable. If you were teaching him in your class, as someone else's child, you would have redirected him to something else, or just kept the train going, until he forgot about it. If he deliberately hurts his brother or disrespects you, either send him to a time out or ask for an apology or both. Your skin needs to be thick enough that if you send him to his room or a naughty seat or something, that you can ignore him wailing, crying, pouting, screaming etc. until he stops.

Also--I'm not sure where you are in the metro area, but various cities, Newnan, Peachtree City, have summer theatre programs for children. Some of what he does screams artistic temperament to me--some of his statements to you are total drama. Maybe theatre or art classes? I think this would be far more beneficial than a psychologist, and cheaper in the long run. My kids also loved a science camp. Getting out in school environments with other children away from mom can be a great thing.

It's possible if he likes it rough that he'd enjoy some of the sports programs available for kids that age--soccer, t-ball, football.

E., I hope that I haven't said too much. I really respect you for laying it all out there. So many people are concerned with what others will think, and they never ask for any assistance.

Please let us know if any of this is helpful to you.

E.

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J.S.

answers from Atlanta on

Hi E.,
I can imagine you are confused but also believes there is a wonderful child in there that has a very hard time getting to the surface. As a parent of a little boy similar who now I can see the real boy, I would encourage you to see all the behaviors you listed as symptoms of what is holding your son back - not your son or his personality. You can heal and support him as long as you realize these behaviors are symptoms. If you believe they are part of him, you will simply grow to resent him and the behaviors and distance yourself from it. Of course you do not want that, but it is natural behavior result of that thinking.

I would highly encourage two books:
"The Sensory Sensitive Child" and
"Healing the Childhood Epidemics"

What I hope you will get from these books is that
1) Your child needs your help. These are not typical, happy, healthy child behaviors that he will "grow" out of. He needs you to be educated, aware, and supportive. He needs you to understand how to seek the right professionals (like a great OT) to help you help him.
2) These behaviors are sypmtoms of healable problems. They could stem from strep (called PANDAs), or seratonin/dopamine swings that control the brain and his behavior, gut dysbiosis or many other solvable issues.

My prayer for you, especially since you have two boys, is that you will reject the concept that these behaviors (expecially the "I don't want to live" one) are developmental or personality levels. I hope you will grasp on tight and help your son heal - and save the life he deserves to have.

I am obviously very passionate in this area and would be happy to discuss avenues and ideas. Sincerely, J.

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C.M.

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I would suggest making an appointment and talking to your pediatrician. He or she would be best able to tell you how to handle, or let pass, your situation. When our youngest child was between probably one and two and a half, every time he went near a child he would hit them, people we'd never even seen before. He never hit them in anger, I think it was kind of his way of saying hello, but they didin't like it. Anyway, some parents were horrified and some knew it was just a stage, but it really bothered me. I was afraid that he was just going to be mean. He outgrew it and plays just fine with kids now at three and a half. But, it seemed to take forever and it was embarrassing. I'm sure it is very hard for you, but the pediatrician will have some ideas and can help you understand if it's just a stage and something that you are going to just have to help him manage until it passes or if there are really some things you can do to help his behavior. Maybe there is something bothering him. Children are very unusual little creatures and things that we see as odd can be very normal.

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B.L.

answers from Atlanta on

Hi, E.!
I am a retired principal who, with my husband, raised two spoiled sons. Please don't allow your son to manipulate you with pouts and overly sensitive remarks. He seems to be very much in control.
There are sibling issues, as well. Like all children he needs to feel loved, but he also needs to realize that there are limits that must be adhered to that involve consequences.
I hope this helps in some small way!

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N.K.

answers from Atlanta on

E.,
Wow, does this sound SO familiar! I have 3 boys, ages 7 1/2, 6 and 2 1/2- my oldest is sounds very similar to yours- here is what we are doing- he does have sensory integration problems- so we are doing OT- he is not aggressive, but shy- so we are looking into social groups for him- he is currently seeing a therapist so she can help us with proper discipline for him - He goes to Beyond Words- you can look it up online-
There are also several books that have been recommended to me that I wil pass along to you.
1> Love and Logic
2> Positive Discipline
3> The strong willed child

Good luck to you! I'll be thinking about you! Please contact me if you have any other questions!
Nikki

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B.F.

answers from Atlanta on

Sounds like you have gotten some great advice. Just a word of caution. He is NOT too young to suffer from depression. A very close friend of mine had a 6yo boy diagnosed with suicidal depression. He made comments about wishing he was dead and that he didn't want to live anymore. He is now 8 and doing much better after therapy, environment change and a brief stint on antidepressants. I know no one wants to medicate their kids, but in his case it was necessary. Don't disregard his comments as just being hurtful although this may be the case. I would ask my ped about a therapist to evalate him. If it's nothing, great! But if it is a problem, you have gotten him the help he needs.

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