2 Year Old Feels That Sleeping Is No Longer a Prerogative . . .

Updated on August 13, 2008
J.B. asks from Anaheim, CA
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Help!! We've had sleep issues with this guy before, and I wrote about it then. This is basically the same thing . . . naptime and bedtime are a long ago dream, and my kid is so tired he's screaming mad constantly. He just turned 2 and has recently become very obstinate and opinionated . . . I'm sure this has something to do with it. He absolutely does not want to sleep. And he's progressed from being difficult at bed and nap time to just plain old not sleeping. I'm exhausted, he's exhausted, my husband's exhausted, even my cats are worse off from all the screaming. Nothing is wrong . . . he's just very very angry. Last time I took him to the pediatrician just to make sure. We have a very set routine at both nap and bedtime, and it's progressed to where even the start of the routine sets him off.

I know I am hardly the only person ever to have gone through this with a two year old . . . my question is, what do you do? How do you ride it out? Do you stick to your guns and make him stay in bed, no matter what the cost? And let me state here that last year when he did this, his record of screaming before finally giving in at bedtime was over 5 hours. I tend to want to check on him and let him know that it is in fact time to go to bed at least every hour if not more often. However, this seems to only amp him up again. What to do? I don't want to let him scream by himself like that, but neither do I want him to "win". Even if I was willing to bring him into bed with us, it isn't a matter of not wanting to sleep in his crib, it's a matter of not wanting to sleep, period!! Besides, he's never slept well in our bed, even as a newborn. What do you guys do?

I'm pregnant, I'm exhausted, my son is BEYOND exhausted, we're falling apart, and I'm at my wit's end. HELP!!

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So What Happened?

thanks everyone for their advice!! We ended up just sticking to our usual routine and nighttime went back on track. It occurred to me that maybe we were just putting him down too early for his nap and that he was ready for longer between am and nap, so we bumped back naptime and now he's napping again. I and my fetus thank you!!

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J.M.

answers from Los Angeles on

Hi J.:
I can understand your frustration.Your pregnant,and need your rest. I'm sure your husband needs his sleep,to function at work each day, and sleep for your son is imperitive for his health as well.If you continue this (battle of the wills) your son will establish poor sleep habits for most of his early childhood.Bedtime,will be hectic, he will fight sleep,and when he begins school,it will be next to imposible to pry him up.First of all,I can't believe that your PED. recomended you keeping the same scheule! Your son is finished with (Naps)Children at this age, are far to active,and phycologicaly,stimulated to stop dead in the middle of the action and go to sleep.Imagine,running a 5k race,and then being directed to lay down and fall asleep. Your body and your mind are still racing.This is what i compare it to.I have to tell you,if my neighbors dog barked for five hours straight,I'd be pounding on their door! I can't even imagine leaving a child to cry for that extended period of time. I don't care if you are checking on him.Each time you go into his room,and then walk out without acknowledging his cries,he gets more frustrated and hurt. Its as though your saying,"see,i can hear you" "I'm just refusing to help"Its become a test of wills here,and none of you are winning.As parents, we have to use logic. If one way isn't working, then you try another. You tried the CIO method.It obviously isn't working! Hes two years old. Stop the naps and Make sure you give him plenty of time to calm down at night. Give him a bath,read to him. Let him know,your not trying to rush him. I'd recomend Getting him out of the crib,and into a toddler bed.If he cries for you,go to him,and soothe his fears.Give him a night light,leave the door ajar,and remind him you are right there if he needs you.Your right,to have fears of what will happen when the new baby comes.You need to resolve this,for all of you.Take the time with your son,and follow your motherly instincts. You want bedtime to be pleasant for everyone in the house.I wish you and your son the very best.

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J.L.

answers from San Diego on

Hi J., just the thought of all that made me tired.`As a mom of 24 years my advice to you is first of all take him out of he crib and treat him like a big boy, I started all` 3 of my babies on their crib mattress on the floor with all their stuffed animals around, before moving then into a twin bed, I would have a set bed time a set nap time, as you have had. When bed time comes you take him into his room, you hug him, you pray with him, either read him a bed time story or do some singing, if he is already sceaming at the idea it is bed time, put him down, remember you are in charge not him, and tell him as soon as you stop screaming, I will come back in and read you a story, also tell him that he does not have to go to sleep but he will stay in bed,and if he doesn't there has to be some type of discipline, what ever you and your husband chooses, you just both need to be on the same page so he doesn't play you against each other, kids are so good at that. And you are right you don't want him to win, because then you will have just given him power that a child is not supossed to have, once a child is allowed to defie their parents, it's on then, and it will get worse as they get older. One thing our kids loved, was he had fish aquariums in their rooms, with blue light;s we used them for night lights, the movement of the fish swimming and the water moving is very soothing to a small child, I'm sure you will get a lot of other advice, one more thing, I think you said you don't want him to just cry, you are not letting him cry, J. he is choosing too, I would try everything possible to get your son to fall asleep feeling loved and nurtured, but don't give in to improper behavior, you are having another baby, you need your sleep, and rest, and if you are feeling stressed, so is your baby. I hope this helps, your little guys needs his rest to for proper health and happiness. Let me know what yoy try and what happens if thats OK. J.

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E.G.

answers from San Diego on

Try writing to Dr. Rosamond in the newspaper. He has wonderful advice. He will probably tell you to take away a privilege each time he refuses to go to sleep. Then make the next day bedtime an hour earlier if he doesn't adhere to the rules. If he refuses to sleep he still has to stay in his room. If he comes out you simply walk him back to his room again. Then close the door. Remove all toys and only leave what is absolutely necessary. Hard core but it works. Sort of like SuperNanny. You will have a few sleepless nights but within a week the problem should be solved.

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D.W.

answers from Los Angeles on

I have to wonder if something happened to cause this sudden change. He's opinionated?

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M.B.

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Oh J.,

All I can say is that I feel for you. I'm currently pregnant with baby #4. It has been the most difficult pregnancy by far. I contemplate what it will be like if pregnancy #5 will be the same and I have to take care of an infant/toddler. So I can only imagine what you're going through.

My ideas are to keep on doing the things that you enjoy most together. Be active during wake periods and still do enjoyable downtime activities for the 2 of you.

I'm a firm believer of attachment parenting and positive re-inforcement. I feel that it is more effective and beneficial for both the parents and the child.

Have you tried giving him the option of not sleeping, but he still needs to have quiet time? This seemed to be enticing to my kids. I guess it made them feel like they were still getting what they wanted--not wanting to take a nap. However, they would almost always fall asleep.

One thing I learned from a kindergarten teacher I used to work with was Indian Flute Music--native american Indian, that is. She said that she had several cd's that she would circulate through at quiet time for her students and whenever she played that, almost every single student fell asleep everytime.

I actually downloaded a couple of songs off the internet. At quiet time, we turn the lights off, close the shades, and lay down without talking. I would make sure that if I fell asleep, they would be safe--nothing to choke on, secure in the room and not able to roam around the house, etc. Of course, you sleep with one stink eye open. lol

Whatever music you chose, have awake music be lively and upbeat and quiet time music slow with beats no faster than 60 beats per min.

Make sure that he gets lots of exercise and time to run around when he is awake too.

Hope you can get some help out of these suggestions.

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E.N.

answers from San Diego on

I am really sorry! I can't say that I really know what to tell you, I can't imagine being in your situation. We have had some issues recently with my two year old that were really troublesome, but it was not nearly as extreme, so I don't know if this will help you, but I'll share with you how we got through it.

It started a few months ago, he was about 22 months, he had been happily going to bed since he was a young infant, but suddenly he began to protest at bedtime (naptime was no trouble, this was just at bedtime). At first, we thought, "just a phase, he'll cry for a few minutes then stop," but he didn't. He would not stop crying, and he would start to SCREAM. It was awful. When our usual approach (to just let him cry) was not working, we started trying other things, which only made things worse because now we were being inconsistent. We had tried asking him what was wrong, but he was not able to communicate the trouble to us, and our best efforts at figuring it out were unsuccessful. Finally, we came up with a plan that we decided to stick to: at the beginning of our bedtime routine, we would talk to him and let him know bedtime was coming and he was not to do any crying, we had figured out that he didn't like anything in his bed except for his pillow and two snuggling blankets (in contrast to his older brother who likes nearly EVERYTHING in his bed!), so he has only those things in his bed, the snuggle blankets are his favorite "comfort" item, Daddy sings him a special "go to sleep" lullaby that he made up for him, he does this after the usual bedtime routine and just before he puts him in his bed. If he starts to cry when we say goodnight, we take his pillow and snuggle blankets out of his bed for 5 minutes and let him stay in his bed without them. He SCREAMS the whole time. Then we go back in, ask him if he is ready to stop crying (he needs to respond "yes" - I have found that getting the appropriate verbal response from my boys helps them to follow through with behaving appropriately) and he gets his pillow and snuggles back (but no more hugs and kisses, he got all of those when we said goodnight). We say "goodnight...no crying" and if he starts to cry again when we leave, the pillow and snuggles are taken out for another 5 minutes (for which he screams again). Some nights we had to go through this several times, but he finally stopped having a fit at bedtime after about 2 weeks of this (the entire process from when he began this "phase" lasted about two very long months!)

My feeling is that your son needs to know that you and Daddy are in charge, not him, and you need to find some way to get that through to him. The protesting at naptime and bedtime is not acceptable. He needs to lay down, be quiet and go to sleep. For my 2 year old, he really hated it when his pillow and snuggles were taken away, and eventually that got through to him (it would not have worked with my older son, he doesn't care that much). Bedtime was non-negotiable and if he did fuss, he did not like the consequences. We went through minor obstacles with my older son, but maybe he is not as strong-willed, he would learn very quickly there was no point in fighting bedtime.

If you are completely at a loss with how to get through to your son, maybe I would suggest Dr. James Dobson's book "The Strong-Willed Child." I have not read it myself, but it has been around for years and I have heard from a lot of other moms that is is very helpful. And it sounds like you have a very strong-willed boy! He needs sleep so desperately and so do you! And both of my boys still really needed naps at this age (my current 2 year old falls apart if we are even 1/2 hour late for naptime) but all kids are different, and if your son can get along without a nap, getting all of the sleep he needs at night, don't hassle with the nap if you don't want to (you won't be able to tell until he starts getting the sleep he needs).

If you do come up with a plan of action that you think may reach him, I would suggest talking to him before you even start his bedtime routine. Let him know that it is almost time for bed and once you start getting ready for bed and say goodnight, there is to be no crying or screaming, but he needs to lay down quietly until he falls asleep, then let him know what will happen if he does not comply. Even if he cannot respond appropriately, he can still understand this, and I have found it helpful to my toddler boys to warn them in advance of what is to come whenever possible. Maybe make a little extra time in the bedtime routine for more snuggling, that seemed to help a little with my son. But other than that, I think you just have to determine your approach, then be consistent.

I hope this helps, or that advice from other moms is helpful! You sound like you are dealing with this a lot better than I would be able to, but I know how badly you need to get beyond this and get rest again!

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S.H.

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Lots of great responses, I haven't read each one...but just thinking... could you possibly send your boy to a preschool or somewhere part of the day? So you can get rest... since you are pregnant... AND therefore it will help you son to get his "yah-yah's" out... and be physical and play and socialize... and then, he will get tired and perhaps nap when he comes home? ALSO, at preschools/daycare, they also have nap times... this may get him in the habit again... and provide that extra "kick" you need to get him back to napping.

Boys are very physical and kinesthetic... and maybe he just needs more of an outlet.

Also, you are pregnant... does your son know that yet? He ALSO has to "adjust" to this... he will be feeling all kinds of emotions.. and he needs help with it. Don't let him feel left out. Included him in it... let him "buy" presents for baby, take pictures with you and your growing tummy... let him touch your tummy, explain to him what is going on, make sure he knows that you ALWAYS love him even with a new baby... be open with him... let him ask questions and talk with him about it without judgment... let him feel secure and "happy" about it.
No matter what, your being pregnant is a BIG transition for him and a BIG change in HIS life too. Also, some kids "regress" at times, when they have a new baby/sibling. Get him books on being "a big brother" etc. Help him feel special about it.. teach him to "love" his baby brother/sister in your tummy too... my girl used to love to talk to her baby brother in my tummy when I was pregnant and sing him songs for example.

ALso, has he always been this way from a baby? Or is it just as a toddler? Perhaps he is high needs. or just going through a difficult time. There are books on it, like from Amazon... some kids just need different approaches to managing them. Use 'keywords' such as: 'parenting difficult toddlers', parenting high needs children etc.

ALSO, once baby comes, and if he is attending daycare/preschool he will already be adjusted to going to by the time you have the baby... and it will be a BIG help for you once baby arrives... it will be HIS special time and HIS chance to play and have fun and make friends.

Just a thought.
take care and congratulations,
Susan

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