1St Borns Special Day ?

Updated on November 12, 2018
E.C. asks from Rancho Cucamonga, CA
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Birthday blues ? Or just ungreatful ?
My son will be turning 15 & i have Been asking what he would like to do. He insist nothing.

He is very picky & really into expensive stuff idk why 😞.

He suggested a burger place in Hollywood. It’s about an hour away or an iPhone xs! top of line of course

We are on a tight budget & i cannot Afford the phone or to add his line monthly.
Now he’s bummed & unhappy. He is failing 2 classes & has a really bad attitude so it’s hard for me to decide what to do.

I feel Like I failed him. I dont Want to ruin his day but idk what to do
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S.G.

answers from Los Angeles on

Teenagers typically have a bad attitude. However, not passing classes? No. I wouldn't spend any money on presents for a kid who is failing classes.

Dinner on his birthday.

He's 15. Not 16, 18 or 21. Stop making excuses for him and allowing him to behave poorly and fail classes. Find out if he needs a counselor or a tutor. Tell him you are there to help him but if he doesn't talk with you about why he is bummed and unhappy, you can't help him.

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D.B.

answers from Boston on

This doesn't have to be a line-in-the-sand, my-way-or-the-highway sort of deal.

Being snotty is a job requirement for 15 year olds. They're hormonal, they're too old for kid stuff and too young for adult stuff. They don't want to be driven everywhere by parents, but they can't drive themselves. They hate the world. They're preparing - slowly and poorly sometimes - for independent life at 18, which means creating some distance between themselves and their parents.

So, I'd separate the issues. Issue 1 is birthday and financial constraints. Issue 2 is grades and any other bad attitude (such as not doing chores, being rude to siblings, whatever else).

Issue 1: he's given you 2 ideas of what he wants - phone and dinner out. You cannot do the phone for financial reasons (not to mention he's too disrespectful to be trusted with a truly adult responsibility), but you could do the dinner even if it's an hour away, right? So do that. Don't mention the irresponsibility for now - just focus on the cost. Also, he likes Ghent stuff and while you don't understand it, it's his interest. Unless he's doing something harmful, cut him some slack. It's his birthday.

Issue 2: He's got a bad attitude and he's failing. So address his coursework (and anything that is distracting him from doing his homework) and any possible needs for tutoring. Maybe he's lazy and unfocused, maybe he's struggling legitimately with the content or study skills. So, work on empowering him to talk to his teachers and perhaps his guidance counselor to figure out what his problem is and how to address it. Offer to meet with the teacher(s) involved, with your son there. Whatever else he's not doing at home - chores or helping with other kids or having an attitude about you not cooking what he likes or whatever else he's pissy about - tie those things to increasing adult responsibility. He's going to want more freedom now, at 16, at 17. He's going to want a learner's permit. He's going to want a license and the chance to borrow the car.

So have a solid sit-down with him about what it means to be considered responsible enough to drive a $15,000 (or much more) death machine. Go over the expenses: insurance, gas, maintenance, excise taxes, etc. Get the info from your insurance agent or company about how much the insurance will go up when a teen driver is behind the wheel. It's math. Explain it as an adult having to learn to manage a budget. You can also show basic expenses for having kids - food, medical, school fees, clothes, utilities. You don't have to tell him what the family income or mortgage amounts are, but do the basics that he will have to cover when he is a newly-liberated adult. And someone who is disrespectful to his mother (or anyone else) cannot be trusted to be respectful to a police officer who pulls him over, or to another driver who cuts him off (hell, people have guns and shoot the person who was driving too slowly or who stopped for a pedestrian!). Someone who cannot remember to do his homework or turn it in cannot remember to use a turn signal or remember the rules of merging while coming off an entrance ramp into the flow of traffic. Someone who thinks he's entitled to an iPhone without working for it is not going to be responsible with an expensive car, especially if he thinks his parents are made of money. So tie his future freedom and privileges to his ability to demonstrate the skills and maturity that will be required of him, not just by you, but by the insurance company, the driver ed school, and law enforcement. It's his choice whether to play by the rules of life, you know. It's not you being a horrible, oppressive parent - it's the way of the world, and if he wants the perks of being a part of that, he has to play by the rules.

But I would deal with Issue 2 after the birthday. He gets a birthday gift and a dinner regardless of his grades.

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W.W.

answers from Washington DC on

if you can't afford the phone, don't give it to him. He's going to be 15 - not 16.

A dinner and cake. that's it. Do what you can afford. Don't go into debt for a birthday. No.

You haven't failed him. If he is bummed and unhappy - you and he can talk about it and get to the root of the problem. If he's failing two classes? I certainly wouldn't buy an $800 phone for my kid. NO FREAKING WAY. Find out WHY he's failing. Does he need a tutor? Or is he NOT turning in homework?

If he has a bad attitude? Does he need a counselor? Where is his dad in all of this? Stop coddling him and attending to his every need. If he's got a nasty attitude? Figure out why and work with him on it. Failing classes make him responsible. Stop giving in. When you give in and coddle him? You are failing him. TEACH HIM!!! WORK WITH HIM!!

Don't go overboard for a birthday. OR Christmas.

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T.F.

answers from Dallas on

Top of the line IPhone for a soon to be 15 yr old? Why is that consideration even on the table?

If he is acting like a brat because you can't afford the phone, maybe he can start doing his job in school, pass classes and start making something of himself. He can also GET A JOB and EARN the special things he believes he is entitled to as well.

It is not "ruining his day" when he cops an attitude toward you because he is not getting what he wants. You are doing your job as a parent.

If he wants the newest IPhone and anything else for that matter.... he should learn about delayed gratification. You don't always get what you want when you want it . You EARN it.

Let him do nothing for his birthday and wallow in his own pity party for being a selfish brat.

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B.C.

answers from Norfolk on

The nice dinner out would be a good birthday celebration.
He's old enough to know that you can't afford the phone he's asking for and it's not something to go into debt for.
If he wants to get a job or do work for neighbors and save up for it - that's on him.

His birthday and his school performance/attitude are different issues.
You and he need to talk - maybe with his guidance counselor and work on the school issues.
As for attitude - I've never understood why parents would put up with a bad attitude or just try to explain it away on hormones.
Everyone has hormones - although most adults are not surging at the moment - and we treat each other with respect.

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E.B.

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Tell him that a top of the line smartphone is only for people who have demonstrated that they can handle responsibility. And what are a 15 year old's responsibilities? School, first and foremost. If he's failing two classes, that proves that either he's not turning in work, or not studying, or not doing the homework, or not requesting extra help. So a phone is not going to be handed out until certain responsibilities are met, and those include doing his best in school, and being generally productive at home (chores, keeping his room/bathroom fairly neat, etc).

As for birthdays, simply take him to whatever restaurant you can afford, and tell him you love him and get him a big piece of cake.

You have not failed him, he's 15, and as others have said, it's a tough time in a kid's life. A 15 year old knows he's not a little kid, but he's not old enough to drive yet, and still has to ask mom for a ride, but perhaps he's already starting to shave, and girls are not icky like they were when he was 11, and oh, there are just so many conflicts in his not-yet-developed brain.

Let him know what the budget is. Without overburdening him, be honest with him. And remind him that if he turns things around (grades, attitude, etc), pretty soon he'll be able to have a job and start working to earn a car, and get his license. But not if things don't improve in the politeness and responsibilities department. Don't make it a threat - make it more of a goal to work towards. He doesn't have to turn into Prince Charming, he simply has to be polite to his family and he has to improve his grades. Otherwise, you can remind him, he won't be able to get summer jobs because he'll be in summer school.

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S.T.

answers from Washington DC on

a dinner an hour away sounds like a sensible and do-able celebration. why not do that?

if you can't afford an iPhone you can't. so it's off the table.

my teenagers worked to earn money for things they wanted that we couldn't (or wouldn't) pay for. are you helping him figure out ways to do that?

you say insists on 'nothing' but has actually given you two good suggestions. one is unaffordable but it's certainly not 'nothing.'

maybe he'd be kinda thrilled if you could find your way clear to seeing something positive about him. ungrateful, picky, bummed, unhappy, failing, bad attitude and 'into his Ghent stuff' all sound like you're pretty miserable and disappointed in him.

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M.G.

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Mine worked at that age - and got good grades.

Actually - it can help with time management, respect (self and of others), etc.

Then he can put money towards a phone.

Have him apply for jobs that are nearby that he can get himself to - after school and you can pick him up after his shifts if necessary, or he can bike (with lights). Mine do.

Tutoring - make him accountable, to be ready for his sessions, keep him on track. Make him go in at lunch for extra help. Stay on him, and have it tied in to something.

I would do the dinner and say "I'll give you x amount towards a phone".

OR he can work for you to get the money for the phone. Get him to pet sit your friend's animals when they go away if he needs references. Have him do odd chores for them, etc.

He will need these skills going forward. Just sounds like he needs some maturity and responsibility. Now is the time :)

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M.6.

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15 is kind of a snotty age for a lot of kids. However, since he is your oldest, keep in mind that your younger two are watching how you handle this snotty behavior. If you don't nip it in the bud, you will have 3 snotty kiddos before you know it.

Don't tie bad grades to a birthday. One has nothing to do with the other. You CAN tie his gift to your available budget. We have a set amount that we spend on each kid for a birthday which is $50 - it is doable if we happen to be tight, and low if we are doing well. However, it is the same for everybody every year (except Golden Birthday, 16, and 18). The birthday kiddo also gets to pick dinner out at a family restaurant near home or I make their favorite dinner at home. If we are short on cash, we will just take the birthday kiddo out (we have 6 kids - eating out gets expensive really quick), and if we are doing well then we all go out. We do give the option of places we can afford and if the birthday kid doesn't like any of the choices then it automatically reverts to a homecooked meal with my famous chocolate cake for dessert.

The bad grades and bad attitude is a different story - but again should have nothing to do with what you are giving him for his birthday.

It's a little late with your oldest turning 15, but you can still turn things around. Have a family meeting about what birthdays are going to look like for EVERYONE going forward and you will save yourself the trouble of guilting yourself on your kids' special day.

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N.C.

answers from San Diego on

Do the bare minimum. He is.
He failing 2 classes and expects and new iPhone so he can fail more?
Why isn’t he meeting your expectations?
Plus he has a bad attitude.
Why even try for an ungrateful kid. Don’t waste your time and money.

Guilt trips can work both ways. Why doesn’t he have a job?

My 12 year collected plastic bottles to buy his iPod.

C.T.

answers from Santa Fe on

You have not failed him! I don't know anyone who would buy a top of the line iphone for a 15 year old...that's crazy. I can see getting him a used older phone depending on the price. I think dinner at the place of his choosing sounds nice...maybe let him invite a friend. My son is 14 and he wants to invite over 3 friends for a sleepover for his birthday. I think you are being a good parent and setting limits. He is giving you attitude which sucks...but often teenagers do this. Tell him he needs to bring up his grades and you will contribute x amount towards a phone but he will have to work and earn money to pay for the rest. Otherwise you can get him this other used phone for x amount. (OR whatever you decide you can do). He can do pet sitting or house sitting (watering plants) or babysitting or offer to wash cars or mow lawns for money. The neighbor kid will "detail" the inside of people's cars for $30. He does a great job...we hired him to do it once.

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